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Posts: 1,608 | The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 11:20 AM
Some of you have still not accepted the Truth of the matter, that the CEO of fCom is not Ed Dillinger.
The CEO of fCom is the Master Control Program.
First let's go over the reasons why Dillinger could not be the CEO. First, remember in the original movie, Flynn tells Allan & Lora that Dillinger was "not so young" and "not so bright" as Flynn, but "very sneaky". This tells me that while Dillinger has the brains to steal his way to the top he is not smart enough to create an entire company on his own.
Second, the Official Strategy Guide tells us that Dillinger escaped from the authorities and went on the run. Somone who is a fugitive from the law would have a hard time creating a new company, I would think.
Aside from a memo from the laser digitization team, I'm sure that Dillinger did not know about the digitization process, and he certainly did not know of it's potential to insert Users into the Digital World especially as after Flynns adventures it was kept secret afterwards.
Dillinger is not interested in information or "controlling the minds" of people. He's interested in power and money, to be sure, but fCom seemed to me to be more along the lines of information control. It just seems to be something more than what Dillinger would want to be involved in. Dillinger seems more small minded than that.
If Dillinger did ever get control of Encom, do you think he would be content to be a ball & microphone? No, he would be strutting around the place making sure everyone knew it was him who was in charge again.
Now, here is why I believe that the CEO of fCom is the MCP.
First, it was the MCP that knew of the digitzation process, indeed it was him that brought Flynn into the Digital World so he would be very familiar with the process even if it were keps secret.
Next, it is very possible that the MCP kept an emergency backup of himself, his core progamming and a number of utilities kept in an emergency file to be activated at the time where the original would be lost. Powerful as he may be, the MCP couldn't have been blind to the fact that he could have been erased.
The MCPs main goal is information gathering and control. This meant absorbing or otherwise controlling the destinies of Programs (making them play video games, for instance, or making them subservient by supressing them). The more he did so the bigger he got.
The MCP hated Users. He felt that he was at least their equal and to be subservient to them was something he hated. To have Users enter his world at his whim and do his bidding is the ultimate irony. The Program has become the User and that is something the MCP would relish.
The MCP could have created a company without being physically present. As shown in the game, the CEO is never present but always giving orders. While I realize that Dillinger could have done the same think I don't think that he could pull off creating a new identity the way the MCP could have.
So there you have it. That's my theory.
Dillinger != CEO
MCP=CEO
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Posts: 163 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 11:52 AM
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Posts: 62 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 12:37 PM
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 1:18 PM
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Posts: 5,314 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 2:29 PM
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Posts: 1,608 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 2:36 PM
Nope, that's just the kind of power-playing that we've come to expect from you.
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Posts: 183 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 3:45 PM
Suzzy, you make some pretty good arguments. The fact that you never actually see the CEO, but that he (it) is shown as a camera/microphone does seem now VERY suspicious.
Plus, your right that Dilinger theft of Flynn's work is a crime, so shouldn't he be in jail?
However, I do have to disagree/comment on a few points:
This tells me that while Dillinger has the brains to steal his way to the top he is not smart enough to create an entire company on his own. |
Did it ever say he started fCon? He may have sneaked his way up to the top in fCon too (or purchased it with leftover/stolen Encom money) with the sole intent to ultimately use it to take over Encom again. In addition, have you ever worked in corporate america? Intelligence is definitely not a prerequisite for starting/running a coporation.
Aside from a memo from the laser digitization team, I'm sure that Dillinger did not know about the digitization process, and he certainly did not know of it's potential to insert Users into the Digital World especially as after Flynns adventures it was kept secret afterwards. |
That one is just wrong. It said in the game that Thorne (who was previously an Encom security guard) was the one leaked the info to fCon. So it WAS known both inside and later outside Encom. I think this is covered in a very obscure e-mail though, so you may have missed it.
Dillinger is not interested in information...He's interested in power and money |
Information IS power and money in today's world. Remember that it was Dillinger who originally programmed (or 'told') the MCP to appropriate (steal) programs from other companies. However, at some point the MCP became sentient and started working without Dilinger's consent (like when it went after national air defense). Perhaps Dilinger, being burned by the MCP's rebellion, decided to use people (who in his mind are probably more trustworth as long as they're on the payroll).
Actually, I think that's the one big flaw with the MCP being CEO: Why would the MCP feel the need to digitize humans? Because they're more powerful than 'normal' programs in the digital world? Perhaps, but the MCP himself was pretty damn powerful, why not do it himself, or with copies of himself. This and one other thing still makes a good argument for Dillinger.
If the MCP wants to take over computer systems and gain information, why does he need Encom? Couldn't he just as easily do it from any server? Sure Encom has the digitization facilities, but as discussed above, that really shouldn't be neccessary for his goal. Plus even if he does need digitization, if he was the one who originally allowed for digitization shouldn't he have the knowledge and plans to rebuild the facility on his own - why does he need Encom's? Certianly it would be cheaper to just build his own digitization rig, than purcahse the entire company that owns one. The whole buying out of Encom and that "slip through my fingers" line sounds very much like a matter of personal revenge, which is not something a logical computer mind would be interested in, but it would fit Dillinger very well.
I haven't totally changed my mind, but you do make some very convincing arguments. Guess we'll have to wait for Tron 3.0 -----------
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Posts: 413 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 3:50 PM
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laphtiya User
Posts: 948 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 3:52 PM
I dont think its the MCP because if it was then why would he need the correction algorythams? they said in the game he was the one who perfected the digitisation
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Scuzzy User
Posts: 1,608 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 4:29 PM
I love discussing this stuff with you, SteveDroid.
Why would the MCP feel the need to digitize humans? |
Already answered: The MCP hated Users. He felt that he was at least their equal and to be subservient to them was something he hated. To have Users enter his world at his whim and do his bidding is the ultimate irony. The Program has become the User and that is something the MCP would relish. |
I dont think its the MCP because if it was then why would he need the correction algorythams? they said in the game he was the one who perfected the digitisation |
Not necessarily. The MCP may have lost the ability to do so after his backup came into play. The MCP could be powerful enough without the Algorithms.
If the MCP wants to take over computer systems and gain information, why does he need Encom? |
Revenge. As we could see, the MCP is a very petulant and punitave so this in itself is not out of character.
Did it ever say he started fCon? He may have sneaked his way up to the top in fCon too (or purchased it with leftover/stolen Encom money) with the sole intent to ultimately use it to take over Encom again. In addition, have you ever worked in corporate america? Intelligence is definitely not a prerequisite for starting/running a coporation. |
It didn't say who started fCon. But like I said, being on the lam it would be difficult to start a new company. And your last point I cannot refute.
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Stevedroid User
Posts: 183 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 5:54 PM
The MCP hated Users. He felt that he was at least their equal and to be subservient to them was something he hated. To have Users enter his world at his whim and do his bidding is the ultimate irony. The Program has become the User and that is something the MCP would relish. |
Hmm...I don't know, you may be attributing more emotion to him than he really had. Then again, maybe I'm attributing less emotion to him than he had. I just saw the MCP as a operating off pure logic (he was was originally a chess program ). I think what he hated was things getting in the way of his goals, and humans had a habit of doing that; but I think introducing the notion of the MCP having a sense of his 'slavery' and desiring personal revenge may be too much.
I just can't see why the MCP would want to use people. People are illogical and unpredictable, and I can't imagine the MCP using them as a sort of comeuppance. I mean even if you go with your idea of his hating people, he's actually sort of empowering them. The Wraiths have way more power in the digital world than they have in the real world and there's nothing to suggest any sort of control method in place on them.
Anyway, if they do ultimately reveal that the CEO is MCP, it's not a big deal. As you've shown he's just as (if not more) likely than Dillinger. Plus, as I'm fond of mentioning, it's a fictional universe. They can do what they want as long as it's nothing too disparate from the established content, and I don't think either of those options are (in fact they may have intentionally left it ambigous so they could choose later). I do enjoy conjecturing like this though. However, I must say regardless of which makes more sense, I think I would like it to be the MCP. I'd much rather get a chance to go up against the MCP in a sequel than Dillinger. -----------
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Posts: 948 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 6:18 PM
Personally I couldnt care less who the CEO of fCon is I just wanna see Tron back in action!!!. The MCP does seem a very likely candidate for the CEO but then again they might want you to think that and use it as a great plot twist in the sequal/add-on.
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Scuzzy User
Posts: 1,608 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 7:46 PM
Hmm...I don't know, you may be attributing more emotion to him than he really had. |
I base my findings on these premises:
SARK: "But the Users wrote us, a User even wrote you!"
MCP (Angry): "No one User wrote me! I'm worth millions of their man-years!"
(MCP proceeds to torture Sark for questioning him)
Also, why would the MCP want Programs to not believe in the Users, whom they have a very close interpersonal relationship with (Crom talking about Mr. Henderson, for instance)? It's a power play.
Finally, the MCP taunted Tron by saying, "Your User can't help you now, my little Program!"
These are all agressive stances against what is equal to God for Programs. The MCP rails against the Users at every turn.
But ultimately you're right. This is just speculation and we will have to see when (!!) the Expansion comes out.
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Posts: 4,450 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 8:13 PM
I think I'm just reading too much into my source code here. But if the MCP would be on Back up. Where the heck would he reside to get the full restore done from in order to get back online. I'm just thinking out loud here and m,aybe I'm just assuming somethings here that I have had experience from in the past in doing full restores from my own PC or from larger machines.
If the MCP was restored back hyperthetically speaking. The only place that MCP could reside is on the ENCOM mainframe. Where it was created from on that computer since it source code and compilation was done on that mainframe. If he did come back in the game for Tron 2.0 It would have been harder to transpose his coding over to another computer. Unless his source code was taken from one and brought onto another system. Then recompiled on that computer in this case Ported onto another mainframe.
Does that Make Any sense?? I've done some writings on different systems. So what do you think? Andyes I know its only Science Ficiton. So smack me silly with a wet noodle for think it this way.
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Posts: 1,608 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 8:28 PM
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Posts: 183 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 8:38 PM
Well the MCP was stealing programs from other companies (among other things, like trying to hack national air defense) so while it's never directly stated, it's clear that he was hooked to some kind of large network (I don't think the internet existed when Tron was made though). So another possibility is that he copied himself (his executable) to an outside system before he died.
Here's another thing for Dillinger that I thought up though. Remember there has been 20 years between Tron and Tron 2.0. Suppose we ignore what the hint guide says about Dillinger (I don't really consider the hint guide THAT solid of a source in establishing the details of the fiction). The maximum sentance for his crime is probably only like 5-10 years, I mean it's not like murder or anything. So between Tron and Tron 2.0 he would theorhetically have time to serve his sentence and then weasel his way into a CEO position at fCon. It's definitely not a death knell for the MCP option though, since you could say it just took the MCP 20 years to create a company rich enough to take over Encom; or you could say he was waiting for Alan to get the digitizing research back up to snuff before making his move (since if the MCP is CEO the digitizing is somehow integral to his goal).
Andyes I know its only Science Ficiton. |
Ah don't worry, I really like this kind of conjecture. We're postulating possible outcomes in a fictional universe; there's nothing wrong with that. What's annoying is when you take a little point from a new work in the universe that's been writen by people who have the license to do what they want with the fiction and say that this thing conflicts with such and such from the orginal work and therefore it totally invalidates the new work. That stuff is nitpicking BS. What we're doing is guessing options that the writers may choose to explore for future works. I don't think any of us are going to get upset if we're right or wrong, we just like to guess. -----------
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Posts: 1,608 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 8:51 PM
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Posts: 1,608 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 8:53 PM
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Posts: 183 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 8:57 PM
All I can say is in the truely unfortuante event that we aren't blessed with a sequel (knock on wood) they better just tell us who they intended the CEO to be, rather than leave us to guess for eternity -----------
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Posts: 1,608 | Re: The Identity of fCom's CEO (Spoilers Inside) on Tuesday, September, 09, 2003 9:07 PM
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