How trite. T3 is supposed to be a sequel, not a remake. There's a difference between paying tribute to a movie and remaking many of the scenes.

How about the duplicate dialogue in T1 and T2? "Come with me if you want to live" anyone?

It's called masking a poor script with a blur of action, and hoping the audience is too stupid to notice.

It's a SUMMER ACTION MOVIE. What were you expecting?

Uh, why would John Connor ask the Terminator if he remembered the events in T2 if Connor was RIGHT THERE WHEN THE T-800 LOWERED HIMSELF INTO THE MOLTEN STEEL? In T2 John knew that his mother faced the exact same model before he was born. How? Sarah flipped out at the mere sight of the Terminator. If the new Terminator didn't look identical to the previous Terminator, how would she know what he is? That was a big hint I'd say! John knew that the other Terminator was destroyed before he was born. He could see that the other Terminator's remaining parts were exactly the same as his Terminator's parts. He knew that there was more than one Terminator. He even said "Cool, my own Terminator!" like someone might say "Cool, my own PC!" In T3, he could see the current Terminator was identical to his old Terminator, which he knew was identical to his mother's Terminator. How could Connor even begin to think it was the same Terminator? Why would he ask such a stupid question as "What, do you come off some assembly line?" Of course they come off of an assembly line, they're identical machines!

They say it right there in the movie. EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT. He never experienced the terror of being chased down and almost killed by this particular model. Sarah DID. Besides, it was always assumed that infiltrator models WOULDN'T be necessarily identical, because they are meant to blend in. A bunch of twin bodybuilders running around wouldn't be very subtle. Plus, it's never said in the first two movies that John knows what the Terminator unit that went after his mom LOOKED like. Perhaps he really didn't know all in that series looked identical. Or perhaps you're just reading WAY TOO MUCH INTO THIS.

Time paradoxes are a staple of time travel films and it was never something that people questioned, so it was never a problem that needed solving.

Paradoxes are a FUNDAMENTAL flaw in time travel theory. This is why Judgment Day happens. The future can be altered slightly, but not completely changed. It's all an endless loop. "Never something people questioned?" Which box of Cracker Jacks did you get your degree in quantum physics from?

It was great; a very tense and thrilling scene. Your point?

Cameron's use of a handheld camera during this scene makes the entire picture shake violently, completely contrasting with the smoothless transition of the rest of the movie. Not to mention the obvious undercranking in some sequences.

Again, it was great. Your point?

Arnold's drop into the riverbed is such an obvious wire stunt that I LAUGHED when I saw it at the age of 12. As if the entire bike is going to land on two wheels at 70 MPH, bounce once, then land on two wheels again, steady as a rock?

Oh yeah a simple ball-and-socket vertebtae system... I almost fell out of my chair laughing at your explanation, Mr. Terminator engineer. Another one you can't easily explain away.

A) If you can offer a better explanation, I'd like to hear it.
B) I don't like your abusive tone here.
C) Actually, that was quite easy.

Even The Terminator, originator of the Tech Noir genre, darkest of the 3 films, has a few funny moments. T2 had more and they worked well as a part of the emotional roller coaster that is T2. I think T3 didn't have many and those that it had didn't work as well because the writer & director didn't understand what made T2 successful.

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Trace Wrote: MutoidMan Wrote:Oh yeah a simple ball-and-socket vertebtae system... I almost fell out of my chair laughing at your explanation, Mr. Terminator engineer. Another one you can't easily explain away. Hey. No need to get nasty Mutoid. It's called fantasy. We're allowed to imagine anything we want. And guess what...nobody is right or wrong here. When it comes to movies, everyone's allowed their own opinion. Remember, there are many people who thought Tron was trash, and I myself could rip apart Tron's script pretty effectively pointing out all the weaknesses. But I won't because I love it. Give Fusion room to love T3. There's no need to tear him down.

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KiaPurity Wrote:Yes, but granted, you two are very tense about this movie. *grabs a fan and tries to ward off the incoming flames :P*

It's very simple Kia; I really like the first two Terminator films. The third film disappointed me very much. I'm not going to extend my suspension of disbelief to the point where I'll think anything is good just because I want it to be. For example, I like Star Trek movies, but Nemesis was criminally bad. I like all of the other movies in that series. Granted, some of them are borderline bad movies but none of them can touch Nemesis's badness. In the same vein, just because it's a Terminator film that doesn't mean it's any good, and that goes for any movie franchise. If they make a TRON 2.0 movie and I think it's bad, I'll say so.

I was amused that the thread had become a lighthearted string of pirate-speak posts and was more than happy to leave it that way, having already vented my feelings about T3.

He obviously felt that my opinion is so wrong that it wasn't enough to express his opinion, but he has an obligation to show me how wrong I am.

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Oh yeah the T-800 design is pure Cameron genius!

Hale-XF11 Wrotemigosh, I just saw a new commercial for T3 and one of Ah-nulds lines goes like this (i think he's speaking to a clerk): "talk to the hand" *slaps forehead* ...please tell me he didn't just say that.

Unfortunately, my friend, he did. It makes a bit more sense if you actually see the movie (no spoilers for those who haven't yet seen it), because you'll know where he picks up the line. And it's funnier where and how he acquires that line, but I thought that it worked only that one time.

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Hey, Syntax! Good to hear from you again.

OMG . . . I can't believe I missed this T3 thread. I'm a big Terminator fan, as well as fan (of course).

MutoidMan makes some good points. But unlike him, I can forgive some of the boneheaded mistakes and dialogue in T3. This is a film that could have been absolutely great, but is dragged down to become an inferior film to the first two, unfortunately.

If it had been a little longer, had more backstory, and the writers had done their homework a little better (or stopped messing with established facts), it would have been equal or even superior. HOWEVER . . . it is still a good film, in its own way. Certainly one hell of an action spectacle, to be sure. I consider it to be a decent sequel.

As for Mutie's (hope you don't mind the contraction ) beefs with the films, here's what I think.


Most of the movie was more a poor rip-off of T2 than a true sequel.
That could be argued, but it has some scenes and story ideas that I feel makes it very original. The whole fatalistic notion that John can't escape his future, and the ending of the film (not a happy one), is something I can appreciate as being new and fresh.

There was too much senseless, frantic action and not enough story and exposition.
Of course, it's all eye-candy. But while you call it senseless, I call it a wild action ride. I agree there should have been more story, though. Particularly backstory, like I said earlier.

The writer and director seem to have forgotten much of what happened in The Terminator and Terminator 2; in other words the continuity is shot.
I disagree. Again, there is a lack of backstory. Just how can Skynet still be around? It isn't explained. But if you can get past some of these things, they stayed pretty faithful to what came before.

The T-X came off as inferior to the T-1000.
That's what I thought at first, too. But if you look at the T-X from a different perspective . . . it wasn't meant to be revolutionary. It was designed to get the job done. The T-1000 is an expensive Terminator to produce (time, energy, complexity). While the end product is great, it costs too much to make. And it's still vulnerable to attack, in fact a little too vulnerable. The end of T2 showed the T-1000's weakness. So Skynet has gone back to a more practical design. That's the way I see it. Fancier doesn't necessarily mean better.

What was with that crappy camerawork?
Why the obviously poor wire-work when the T-X jumped on the hearse?
Don't make me point out the many flaws in T2. Every film has its mistakes, or poorly executed work.

How the heck did the T-800 reattach its head? That was such a stupid, impossible gimic.
Okay, I agree with you there. I hated that scene, too.

Why only a couple of lighthearted moments?
You kidding? I though it had *too many* lighthearted moments. Speaking of which . . .

Where were Arnold's cool one-liners???
There were one-liners, all right. Too many. But you're right, they weren't cool. But once again, I'm willing to forgive. A couple of them were good, but the rest made me cringe.

I'll watch The Terminator and T2 (and TRON) on DVD over and over, but I won't purchase T3 because it killed the franchise.
The box office take doesn't agree with your conclusion. T3 didn't do so well in North America (though half-decent), but Internationally it's blowing away the competition. T4 is almost a certainty, and for a lot of people T3 didn't "kill" the franchise. They loved it.

Uh, why would John Connor ask the Terminator if he remembered the events in T2 if Connor was RIGHT THERE WHEN THE T-800 LOWERED HIMSELF INTO THE MOLTEN STEEL?
I didn't like this part, either. I came up with my own theory, to justify and excuse the scene, though. It might be reaching a bit, but it works for me.

And a simple rocket launcher couldn't have