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![]() Posts: 274 | 1080P HD sets and how Best Buy is virtually LYING to you........ on Tuesday, May, 22, 2012 7:52 PM
Many of you have had, for some time, high-def TVs. I have not. In fact I haven't had any TV at all for over 13 years. The only screen I have at home is that of my computer, on which I watch movies. I am a very, very slow, late adopter of new technologies, obviously.
But this weekend I finally caved and got a 24" 1080P set (an Insignia) and a Blu-Ray player. And the HDMI cable. Where I live, unless you have satellite TV, the only way you are going to see actual, genuine 1080P HDTV is with those three items in your possession. Why is that? Well, the 1080 TV is a no-brainer, and you *will* need that HDMI cable. I can't believe the number of people who think they're getting 1080P when all they have linking their TV to any source is an S-video connection. Or they buy the 1080P set, go home, then think that everything they watch on it is 1080P. Um, no. In fact, hardly.
For one, the best any Blu-Ray or upscaling DVD player is going to do is bump your ordinary DVDs to 720P, which is poor man's HD. You'll never get 1080 resolution from a DVD. Then we have the fact that most cable companies have only, at best, 720P programming. IN other words, you will never get anything over that cable that is higher than 720P. Of course they just say "hi-def!". Um, yeahaaaaah, but unless it says "1080P", you can count on it being no more than 720. They aren't very up front with that info.
And remember when you last went to Best Buy and drooled at all the HD sets they had? Just walls and walls of both 720 and 1080P sets of all varieties. Only, well, what Best Buy doesn't tell you is that *everything* you are seeing on every one of their sets is 720. They just don't show anything higher rez in their stores. Go ahead and ask them, they told me in person last week. I do not know why this is. It would seem that's like allowing someone to test drive a Ferrari that has a Chevy Vega engine under the hood. They aren't entirely forthcoming about that. So if you're thinking that the pic on a 1080P set you see there is better than one of the similarly sized 720 P models, you're right, because everything there is 720, period.
That may be why, when I was carefully taking my time at choosing the proper sized and featured set I was thinking of,, I made them hook up a blu-ray player to the 1080p set I was wanting and put a blu-ray disc in it (not of T:L, sadly) so I could see what a true HD source looked like on this 1080P set. And I don't care if any of the employees at BB felt put out. They can stop perpetrating that fraud that everything you're seeing there is high def. That's a half-truth since it's only 720. Still you don't see them hanging any signs in their showrooms proclaiming in thick, black block letters that what you're seeing is 720.
And when it comes to high-def TVs, please, ppl, just go all the damn way and get 1080P, will you? Yes, for your money you'll end up with a somewhat smaller screen than what you'd get with a similarly priced 720 set, but at the end of the day, this game is about picture quality, not size. Believe me, you'll be way better off leaning towards the quality over quantity thing here. I feel I got a very reasonable deal on my 24" 1080 set for $180. You could do even better if you don't mind looking on Craigslist or the local pawn shop.
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Imbroglio User
 Posts: 416 | RE: 1080P HD sets and how Best Buy is virtually LYING to you........ on Friday, May, 25, 2012 7:06 PM
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trekking95 User
 Posts: 2,440 | RE: 1080P HD sets and how Best Buy is virtually LYING to you........ on Friday, May, 25, 2012 8:24 PM
Or get 1080i, its the same. Trust me.
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Rectify User
 Posts: 72 | RE: 1080P HD sets and how Best Buy is virtually LYING to you........ on Friday, May, 25, 2012 11:27 PM
That's 720p discrimination. Not racism, but resolutionism. Some of my best friends are 720p HDTVs, including a flaming 50" plasma. They can't change who they are, it's part of their DNA ... their HD-DNA. 1080p content, such as movies on Blu-ray, will always look better than standard DVDs, whether you watch them on a 720p or 1080p TV. Depending on the viewing distance, many people can't tell the difference between the high-def ranges. Particularly if you bought one the size of a postage stamp. One of my other best friends insists that his "upscaling" DVD player delivers a resolution (he uses the term, 'definition') equal to that of Blu-ray, or true 1080p, since that's what his TV is capable of. It doesn't.
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 Posts: 585 | RE: 1080P HD sets and how Best Buy is virtually LYING to you........ on Saturday, May, 26, 2012 1:57 AM
Imbroglio Wrote:The other thing you have to watch out for is if they try to sell you a $100+ HDMI cable. Unless you are running a high end system with all of the bels and whistles you just won't see or hear a difference between a $10 no name brand and a gold plated, super duper exotic cable shielded name brand. |
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 Posts: 4,349 | RE: 1080P HD sets and how Best Buy is virtually LYING to you........ on Saturday, May, 26, 2012 4:25 AM
trekking95 Wrote:Or get 1080i, its the same. Trust me. |
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 Posts: 89 | RE: 1080P HD sets and how Best Buy is virtually LYING to you........ on Saturday, May, 26, 2012 2:06 PM
TRON.dll Wrote:trekking95 Wrote:Or get 1080i, its the same. Trust me. |
1080i and 1080p are not the same. i stands for interlaced and p stands for progressive scan. Interlaced television sets alternate between drawing each row of pixels and then interlace them together to create a clear image, while progressive scan draws everything at once. Consequently, interlaced video can cause what is known as "screen tearing" (where some of the video seems to be tearing) on some fast moving camera pans in movies, while progressive scan sets can cause audio lag.
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He's Right... I can tell a difference between 1080i and 1080p.
I dont see why your bashing 720p though, its not bad but its not great either. Its still way better than 480p!
Also, not EVERYTHING in Best Buy is 720p, Ive worked there before. All the TV that have the same video feed is in fact 720p. That because the showfloor has a mix of 1080p and 720p set. But you cant show 1080p video on a 720p set, so you have to sacrifice a little bit of quality so that the same video feed can be view on all TVs.
BUT all 3D TV's are a true 1080p video feed. The only problem with that is the polarized glasses 3D TVs cut that resolution in half due to the polarized filter. But active shutter glasses 3D TVs still retain the true 1080p video. I used to set up the 3D TVs and I would always put in a copy of TRON: Legacy in one of them. :Pabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion BEGIN THE UPRISING
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 Posts: 243 | RE: 1080P HD sets and how Best Buy is virtually LYING to you........ on Monday, May, 28, 2012 12:07 PM
Hey guys. Just wanted to chime in a little as home theater is a hobby of mine. Let me start by inviting all here to post their TV setups in this thread which I made quite awhile ago:
http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=426976&fc=442311#442311.
I'll just comment on a couple of posts that have been made on this thread.
First is HDMI cables. It doesn't matter whether you buy the $3 one from monoprice or the $200 exotic brand. If you are going short distance (less than 6 feet) you will not lose any signal so there is no need for expensive cables. I have a very long run of about 25 feet and use a cheap (but higher guage) "premium" monoprice cable. Since the signal is digital, the information either goes through or it doesn't so if you get a picture without any digital artifacts your basically getting the signal.
The other topic is the 720p, 1080i, and 1080p debate. Bottom line is get 1080p. Sets are cheap and the quality is better. Now granted the viewing distance has to be optimal and the content also needs to be 1080p, but that is the best your going to get. There is a lot of debate whether 720p or 1080i is better, but anybody with a high end system is going to have 1080p.
The other thing that people often overlook is calibration. This is just as important as the resolution of your TV. The picture on the TV needs to be adjusted for brightness, contrast, color, and importantly, room lighting conditions. I can't believe how often people overlook this. They spend thousands of dollars on their equipment but don't want to spend $20 on a calibration disk and 15 minutes on calibration. If your reading this and have not calibrated you television I would recommend that this be your next step before upgrading anything else.
Also, if your going to watch movies in variably lighting conditions, ie with sunlight in the room and in the dark at night you need separate calibration setups. Lighting conditions make a HUGE difference. Also, different devices often need their own calibration settings. My Blu-ray player outputs at vastely different levels than my laserdisc player for example. Although DVD and Blu-ray outputs are pretty close, if you plan to have multiple devices getting a higher end TV will allow you to save multiple setting combinations so you can easily switch between. END OF LINE |
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