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Kat Wrote:Hell, there were a lot of points in the script that were vague at best. Now that you mention it, that includes the part mentioned in your last paragraph too. The BG were kicking ass and taking names, and then Flynn shows up and it's like they became powerless and everybody else started winning, inc. Sam. I would've liked to have at least some idea of what that was all about, too.

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So... I just watched it again with my daughter.

I think I've narrowed the source of my disappointment.

A few minutes before the EOL, we are treated to a fuzzy scene of TRON taking out black guards one-by-one, grabbing a disc, and then taking out two more at the same time.

That was damn cool. It whet the appetite for an awesome disc battle to come.

So what do we get.? Quorra looking pretty awesome as she almost gleefully jumps between Sam and the Guards and then holds two off almost effortlessly.
That move alone says style. skill. power.

We're thinking - wow... is she as good as TRON?

And then... nope. Her credibility crumbles as fast as her left arm.

I've seen enough good cinema to know that always giving the audience what they expect usually equals a hollow and eventually uninteresting movie. So maybe this was an exercise in deeper film making.

Aside from the briefly awesome scene where Kevin reveals himself, I'm not sure what the EOL fight really does for the movie - aside making Quorra the vulnerable damsel in distress - which really just robbed us of a powerful female character. That, and providing an opportunity to rob the creator of his Disc.

What I wanted here was to see Quorra derezz at least those two guards. She could have been overwhelmed by the other ones. But at least it would have demonstrated that she has skill on par with TRON, but is too cocky to know when she's in over her head.

Ah well. Do love the movie, warts and all.

Vaporware Wrote:I think I've narrowed the source of my disappointment. A few minutes before the EOL, we are treated to a fuzzy scene of TRON taking out black guards one-by-one, grabbing a disc, and then taking out two more at the same time. That was damn cool. It whet the appetite for an awesome disc battle to come. So what do we get.? Quorra looking pretty awesome as she almost gleefully jumps between Sam and the Guards and then holds two off almost effortlessly. That move alone says style. skill. power. We're thinking - wow... is she as good as TRON? And then... nope. Her credibility crumbles as fast as her left arm.

^^^ Exactly this. This trumps the vintage lightcycle in terms of disappointment.

Vaporware Wrote:Aside from the briefly awesome scene where Kevin reveals himself, I'm not sure what the EOL fight really does for the movie - aside making Quorra the vulnerable damsel in distress - which really just robbed us of a powerful female character. That, and providing an opportunity to rob the creator of his Disc.

Powerful females are a reaction to the DND's of yesteryear, but now are the new cliche. I'm glad they didn't make Quorra another Lara Croft/Aeon Flux/Alice (Resident Evil) clone. But I would at least have liked her to *incapacitate* someone before going down in flames. The fight scene was over before you could even start to enjoy it.

Vaporware Wrote:What I wanted here was to see Quorra derezz at least those two guards. She could have been overwhelmed by the other ones. But at least it would have demonstrated that she has skill on par with TRON, but is too cocky to know when she's in over her head.

Exactly!

yep. she even put a huge hole on one guy's head.
Perhaps they felt that by that point Quorra would be justified.

The notion of maintaining her innocence in the EOL Club is interesting.
If we consider that Quorra was studying a version of non-action (either Taoist of Buddhist) under Kevin, her goal would have been to avoid killing anyone.

...as pointed out, it is completely undone by her dogfighting skills in the Light Jet as well as by her use of explosives taking out the Black Guard on the Lightcycle Grid.

By I do agree. I didn't want to see another Tomb Raider, Aeon Flux , Resident Evil, 5th Element murder machine. It seems that Quorra was supposed to be something different but her character development was lacking.

Kat Wrote:I'm not sure I believe they meant to carry through the "innocence" schtick, but for the sake of argument, let's say in this post that I do. We might be able to argue that "the game has changed" enough by the end to justify it.

Even so, she'd already killed one of the BG in the LC grid, so either way, this theory will not hold water.

Kat Wrote:Or maybe they were just too squeamish to have her kill someone hand-to-hand but from a distance was okay? Sam doesn't kill anybody either, does he, save for in the Disc game and on the jet?

I would hope not. It's pretty shallow to think killing someone's more acceptable when you can't see their face. Tron took down a few BG himself with cold efficiency, so...is it okay as long as a program is killing other programs?where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

Moses613 Wrote:Hey yeah, she didn't derezz anyone, did she? I guess that may be the genius of the scene (flawed though it is) is that you don't really notice that.

Huh? It was painfully obvious to me she did jack all in that scene. It doesn't help that it was over so quickly.

Moses613 Wrote:But yeah the scene was poorly shot and the Trio almost ended up getting the floor mopped with their derezzed asses.

I wouldn't exactly call that a flaw, but it had to be done convincingly and with the appropriate rigor. It wasn't.