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ChessMess
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Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Tuesday, September, 13, 2011 10:21 AM
Maybe its because there was much much less of BB's CGI but I think they did a better job on him than Bridges.

Probably just the limited number of scenes AND those scenes mostly had an overall viewing distortion effect to them.

I hope in T3 that Bradly gets to go to the grid and meet up with Tron. Maybe Bradly combines with Tron to save the program vs where Flynn had to combine with Clu to destroy the program.
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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Tuesday, September, 13, 2011 10:38 AM
I'm pretty sure once that flattering filter of wide shots and distortion is pulled back we'd see a CG face equal to or more likely inferior to CLU's.

I don't know about another reintegration in Tron 3. Would be a bit sad to see the two leads go that way in two consecutive sequels. Besides, would it be possible since Tron isn't a digital clone of Bradley?


 
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on Tuesday, September, 13, 2011 11:46 AM
I think its the filter and distortion. For the most part they got Clu spot on.... for about 90% of his screen time. There were definitely some scenes that were... Not as good. Not sure if lighting was a factor there or what that made it more noticable but particularly when you first meet Clu.. To me anyway.. I was amazed at how real he looked in that scene. I actually thought young Flynn (even with Sam in the beginning) was not as spot on as Clu was in most scenes. Again.. Could be a lighting thing?

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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Tuesday, September, 13, 2011 11:46 AM
What you need to consider is how much their facial structure has changed since back in the 80s and I have to say Bruce has aged better than Jeff so naturally there would not be as much work to render a younger version of Bruce in the movie than it would Jeff. Also what you need to consider is that because Tron is seen for only a few seconds here and there his facial structure digitally wouldn't need to be too complex (less moving parts and the like). So again naturally he would look better than the render of CLU, but we will see how that holds up if/when Tron turns up in Tron 3. Also it wouldn't be too fair of a comparision as they will have had more time to work on perfecting the technology needed to make actors young again.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion


 
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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Tuesday, September, 13, 2011 8:52 PM
laphtiya Wrote:Also what you need to consider is that because Tron is seen for only a few seconds here and there his facial structure digitally wouldn't need to be too complex (less moving parts and the like).
That's true...and in the "flashback" scenes, for much of them he hasn't got much of an expression on his face, period, even in the betrayal scene where he's figuring out what's going on.

However, I still can't see much of Bruce/Tron in that face. I'm not sure why they didn't model the facial structure on the original Tron, since there was no reason for Tron to age; even if he did, Flashback!Tron does not, IMO, much resemble later pictures of Bruce.

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IluthraDanar
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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Tuesday, September, 13, 2011 9:01 PM
Had a problem with Tron's salon styled hair. ;-) But the face was pretty good. And I loved most of the Sam meets Clu scene, and the riffling through Flynn's apartment scene. Maybe smiling is a difficult affectation to replicate since any time Clu smiles, he looks a bit off.

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Love how Clu adopts Flynn's posture here. Speaks volumes.


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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Tuesday, September, 13, 2011 10:09 PM
Disney is done with motion capture. It's too time consuming and costly. Tron's mask will stay on. We will see why in Tron: Uprising. Tron 3 will have a great story, great screenplay, plenty of disc/grid action and lots of eye candy. Don't expect any deep or overly technical story lines. It will be engaging, simple, and fun for all. That's what I'm hoping for. We need more fans of the Grid. We need their dollars to get more movies and merchandise.


 
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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Wednesday, September, 14, 2011 3:38 AM
Kat Wrote:
laphtiya Wrote:Also what you need to consider is that because Tron is seen for only a few seconds here and there his facial structure digitally wouldn't need to be too complex (less moving parts and the like).
That's true...and in the "flashback" scenes, for much of them he hasn't got much of an expression on his face, period, even in the betrayal scene where he's figuring out what's going on.

However, I still can't see much of Bruce/Tron in that face. I'm not sure why they didn't model the facial structure on the original Tron, since there was no reason for Tron to age; even if he did, Flashback!Tron does not, IMO, much resemble later pictures of Bruce.


I thought, too, that youngified Flynn looked way worse than Clu. I think the worst was when he smiles at Sam before he walks out the door. FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE OMG SO FAKE. Maybe that's why Clu works out better, because he so rarely smiles.


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I would say they do look a lot like him but as you say a little lifeless as there was no real reason to make him very expressive, but Tron was cold and serious when we first see him on the game grid in the original movie. But I feel that because he was going to appear in a fuzzy blurred quick flashback they cut corners but it was a very very good job done. I am hoping we see more of it in T3 assuming there will be one.


 
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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Wednesday, September, 14, 2011 4:24 AM
Kat Wrote:However, I still can't see much of Bruce/Tron in that face. I'm not sure why they didn't model the facial structure on the original Tron, since there was no reason for Tron to age; even if he did, Flashback!Tron does not, IMO, much resemble later pictures of Bruce.

IIRC, I read in a few places that the Tron ported to the Grid wasn't exactly the same as the one depicted in Tron 1.


 
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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Wednesday, September, 14, 2011 2:37 PM
Kaisergrendel Wrote:
Kat Wrote:However, I still can't see much of Bruce/Tron in that face. I'm not sure why they didn't model the facial structure on the original Tron, since there was no reason for Tron to age; even if he did, Flashback!Tron does not, IMO, much resemble later pictures of Bruce.

IIRC, I read in a few places that the Tron ported to the Grid wasn't exactly the same as the one depicted in Tron 1.

I've read different things, one, that Flynn COPIED Tron over, and another, that he TRANSFERED him over. Could make a difference? Of course, does that mean Tron, our Tron, still exists? Or was the ENCOM system done away with?where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online


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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Wednesday, September, 14, 2011 8:12 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:I've read different things, one, that Flynn COPIED Tron over, and another, that he TRANSFERED him over. Could make a difference? Of course, does that mean Tron, our Tron, still exists? Or was the ENCOM system done away with?

No way after multiple updates to the OS alone could Tron still stay on in its original format, other than in an ancient backup. I suspect if they were to portray a Tron that exists in the modern ENCOM system, he would be far superior to the first two versions, and quite possibly less benevolent. Or maybe Tron 2.0 would simply defeat him by exploiting a hole xD


 
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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 6:53 AM
Kaisergrendel Wrote:
IluthraDanar Wrote:I've read different things, one, that Flynn COPIED Tron over, and another, that he TRANSFERED him over. Could make a difference? Of course, does that mean Tron, our Tron, still exists? Or was the ENCOM system done away with?

No way after multiple updates to the OS alone could Tron still stay on in its original format, other than in an ancient backup. I suspect if they were to portray a Tron that exists in the modern ENCOM system, he would be far superior to the first two versions, and quite possibly less benevolent. Or maybe Tron 2.0 would simply defeat him by exploiting a hole xD
Definitely less naive, that's for sure. Not that either one was very naive-- in OT, he's very suspicious of Flynn at first, and in T:L you can see him giving Clu shifty looks in pretty much every flashback scene even if Flynn is totally oblivious. Well, I guess it's mostly just in Betrayal where he seems to be written as sort of naive: "Oh no, Flynn will come back and fix it, just hang tight!" (I can't say I really like that they wrote him that way, but that's a rant for another thread.)

A new Tron at Encom would have to be so seriously upgraded that he'd barely be recognizable... after all, he has to deal with the internet, which includes the likes of Anonymous and LulzSec and such (who would probably still smash him to smithereens as they have the security of pretty much every website, from the sounds of things, but oh well). I can just imagine him looking up and yelling at a user: "NO! Don't click on the link in the email! It's not really from a Nigerian prince! Don't do it! Don't-- agh." *sighs and facepalms, goes to fix it. Again.* Poor Tron. These days I think he would need a whole security force.

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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 7:41 AM
Kat Wrote:A new Tron at Encom would have to be so seriously upgraded that he'd barely be recognizable... after all, he has to deal with the internet, which includes the likes of Anonymous and LulzSec and such (who would probably still smash him to smithereens as they have the security of pretty much every website, from the sounds of things, but oh well). I can just imagine him looking up and yelling at a user: "NO! Don't click on the link in the email! It's not really from a Nigerian prince! Don't do it! Don't-- agh." *sighs and facepalms, goes to fix it. Again.* Poor Tron. These days I think he would need a whole security force.

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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 2:45 PM
Today's world would see Tron as a General of an army of security programs. There would be programs that would scan boot sectors, firewalls, real time memory scanning for maleware, programs to monitor access to internet urls, a whole slew of them.

In the original movie we never saw him perform his assigned duties because the time we caught up with him he was captured. Alan basically reprogrammed him to take out another program, the MCP.

In Legacy his function was to 'Protect' the grid but given there was no I/O other than Flynn he mainly monitored for system corruption, programs accessing illegal memory etc. In protecting Flynn he was directly trying to shut down Clu which had become corrupted (or if you prefer no longer followed the designated commands of its user, Flynn). He shut down some minor processes (the Black Guard) but the Clu process had more system authority than Tron did (Flynn never imagined Clu would become a problem) and so Clu shut down and 'repurposed' Tron.




 
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on Sunday, September, 18, 2011 4:54 PM
Kaisergrendel Wrote:Or perhaps Tron has evolved into something unrecognizable and sinister, made up of a conglomerate of subroutines instead of existing in one standalone form. His naivety has turned into outright paranoia and his functions impede the user more than protects it. Sound familiar?

Familiar, yes. That's not what I want from Tron (the movies or the program), though.

Now, if all installs of Encom OS 12 came bundled with the Secure Active Real-time Computing suite (developed by Dillinger Jr, naturally) that constantly runs in the background and keeps the system "secure" from its own users, ala "trusted computing" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing), well, I'd be all for seeing that in a sequel.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online


 
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RE: Bradly CGI > Flynn CGI

on Sunday, September, 18, 2011 7:20 PM
Argent Wrote:
Kaisergrendel Wrote:Or perhaps Tron has evolved into something unrecognizable and sinister, made up of a conglomerate of subroutines instead of existing in one standalone form. His naivety has turned into outright paranoia and his functions impede the user more than protects it. Sound familiar?

Familiar, yes. That's not what I want from Tron (the movies or the program), though.

Now, if all installs of Encom OS 12 came bundled with the Secure Active Real-time Computing suite (developed by Dillinger Jr, naturally) that constantly runs in the background and keeps the system "secure" from its own users, ala "trusted computing" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing), well, I'd be all for seeing that in a sequel.

What implications would that have on the character of Tron, though?


 
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on Saturday, September, 24, 2011 12:43 AM
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What implications would that have on the character of Tron, though?

Hmm... If our hypothetical SARC platform is designed to keep a computer secure from its User in the spirit of "trusted computing", potentially keeping "authorized" spyware or adware from being killed or deleted, then this incarnation of Tron would be the opposite - a system security suite that gives the User's desires first priority. Maybe this Tron isn't officially authorized by Encom (if Sam and Alan know anything about it, they're not telling), and is intended for people wishing to "jailbreak" their copies of OS12...

Yeah, just thinking out loud here. I'm not sure how much mileage there is to be had in the idea, but it'd be nice to see them take a more contemporarily relevant slant with the next one when it comes to computing.

Just as an aside, while I'm not personally a big proponent of cloud computing (it seems like a step backward to me, a return to the days of mainframe computing and dumb terminals ), doing something cloud-based with Encom for the next movie might be the way to go. Then you could have a story which is confined to a single large system (the Encom server farm), with a limited number of programs duking it out, yet still have wide-ranging effects. (As opposed to dealing with millions of iterations of Tron and company being out there, one for every machine they're installed on. Which is interesting in its own right, but start focusing on that and you're running the risk of making Multiplicity in a computer rather than a Tron sequel. >.> )

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on Sunday, September, 25, 2011 1:34 PM
Argent Wrote:
Just as an aside, while I'm not personally a big proponent of cloud computing (it seems like a step backward to me, a return to the days of mainframe computing and dumb terminals ), doing something cloud-based with Encom for the next movie might be the way to go. Then you could have a story which is confined to a single large system (the Encom server farm), with a limited number of programs duking it out, yet still have wide-ranging effects.

That's kind of how I'd assumed it would work, yeah.

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