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Posts: 4,349 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Tuesday, September, 13, 2011 11:27 PM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: I waited 28 years for an update of the laser digitizing and wormhole scenes. |
I waited for a new Tron movie and I was pretty satisfied.
The Flying 3-D cubes was "ok" but disappointing IMO. "Tron 3" MUST include the full sequence IMO. |
I agree. While I wasn't overly disappointed by them, I didn't find it to be a worthy follow-up to the wormhole scene. I think the scene succeeded in what it was meant for, and that was to provide a 2D to 3D transition ala black and white to color as seen in The Wizard of Oz.
But yes, Tron 3 definitely needs a full sequence. I think it was mentioned in an interview with Kosinski that they have much more freedom over the franchise now that they've got a huge audience to work with, so here's hoping! abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion
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Posts: 217 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Wednesday, September, 14, 2011 7:28 PM
I'd argue that we didn't need a wormhole scene. It was a crutch for a generation of people who thought (and maybe still do) that a computer is a "magic box" where magical things happen.
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Posts: 298 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Wednesday, September, 14, 2011 8:16 PM
Vaporware Wrote:I'd argue that we didn't need a wormhole scene. It was a crutch for a generation of people who thought (and maybe still do) that a computer is a "magic box" where magical things happen.
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Posts: 3,301 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Wednesday, September, 14, 2011 11:45 PM
It's a mechanism ueed to take the viewer on a wondrous journey from the real world into the computer world. It shows us the importance, specialness and mysteriousness of that journey, changing from matter into data. It visually reveals at a high-level the pervasive corruptness of that world, with perhaps only the one lone green I/O tower still remaining. It allows us to witness the journey from Kevin Flynn's shoes, to pull us into the experience and make it feel more personal.
The Tron universe is magical in and of itself, and so there's no reason why every viewer shouldn't get to partake firsthand in the journey to that magical place. It's not a crutch to make technically-challenged people feel warm and fuzzy. It's to bring the experience closer to home and provide a nice, non-abrupt, visually pleasing, self-explanatory transition into to computer world. What happens in T:L in comparison at that moment is cold, abrupt, impersonal, anti-climactic, visually boring, confusing, anti-canon, short and non-magical.
The minutes that follow for Sam Flynn are pure awesome with the recognizer abduction and subsequent fly-overs, etc. But for the moments of getting teleported, it's not so grand, imo. A wasted opportunity for something really cool and special there.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
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Posts: 298 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 1:19 AM
Traahn Wrote:It's a mechanism ueed to take the viewer on a wondrous journey from the real world into the computer world. It shows us the importance, specialness and mysteriousness of that journey, changing from matter into data. It visually reveals at a high-level the pervasive corruptness of that world, with perhaps only the one lone green I/O tower still remaining. It allows us to witness the journey from Kevin Flynn's shoes, to pull us into the experience and make it feel more personal.
The Tron universe is magical in and of itself, and so there's no reason why every viewer shouldn't get to partake firsthand in the journey to that magical place. It's not a crutch to make technically-challenged people feel warm and fuzzy. It's to bring the experience closer to home and provide a nice, non-abrupt, visually pleasing, self-explanatory transition into to computer world. What happens in T:L in comparison at that moment is cold, abrupt, impersonal, anti-climactic, visually boring, confusing, anti-canon, short and non-magical.
The minutes that follow for Sam Flynn are pure awesome with the recognizer abduction and subsequent fly-overs, etc. But for the moments of getting teleported, it's not so grand, imo. A wasted opportunity for something really cool and special there. |
I think the point asking to be made here is that Sam's experience being apprehended by the recognizer, his journey to the arena and gearing up by the sirens in the armory function to convey that "magic" of tumbling down the rabbit hole. This happens in place of the wormhole sequence that takes place between Flynn's real world disassembly and his arrival at ENCOM already suited up. To have the recognizer, armory and wormhole scenes back to back would have dragged on the pacing imo, and oversold the idea that this is an otherworldly world. Personally I don't feel like it diminished any of its original wonder.
Traahn Wrote:cold, abrupt, impersonal, anti-climactic, visually boring, confusing, anti-canon, short and non-magical. |
In response to these adjectives, I would argue that may have been the idea to mirror Sam's disillusionment with the world, his broken relationship with his father, and the totalitarian state of the Grid. It jumps straight from "did it happen?" to "this happened before and is happening again", an abrupt connection between old, fading memories and the present. Anti-canon, disagree, the transport process happened as it did in the first movie, albeit not depicted in its entireity. Anti-climactic - valid only if the film was building up to the wormhole sequence, which it wasn't, in which case it only served to disappoint your expectations of a climax. The real climax occured when the recognizer reached the apex of its flight over the Grid.
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 7:01 AM
Traahn Wrote:It's a mechanism ueed to take the viewer on a wondrous journey from the real world into the computer world. It shows us the importance, specialness and mysteriousness of that journey, changing from matter into data. It visually reveals at a high-level the pervasive corruptness of that world, with perhaps only the one lone green I/O tower still remaining. It allows us to witness the journey from Kevin Flynn's shoes, to pull us into the experience and make it feel more personal.
The Tron universe is magical in and of itself, and so there's no reason why every viewer shouldn't get to partake firsthand in the journey to that magical place. It's not a crutch to make technically-challenged people feel warm and fuzzy. It's to bring the experience closer to home and provide a nice, non-abrupt, visually pleasing, self-explanatory transition into to computer world. What happens in T:L in comparison at that moment is cold, abrupt, impersonal, anti-climactic, visually boring, confusing, anti-canon, short and non-magical.
The minutes that follow for Sam Flynn are pure awesome with the recognizer abduction and subsequent fly-overs, etc. But for the moments of getting teleported, it's not so grand, imo. A wasted opportunity for something really cool and special there. |
But it's not explained in T:L how special it is to change matter into data. These days movies are chock-full of that kind of thing and it's nothing new. We're talking a generation where The Matrix was a big deal. Dude in a computer? Great. There's nothing magical about it anymore like there was in those days.
T:L does, to an extent, assume the viewer is familiar with OT. If you've not seen the part with Lora/Gibbs/Alan explaining the whole digitization thing, you're not going to think it's anything special anyway.
Besides, as someone else pointed out, T:L isn't going for the "isn't this magical and wonderful?" thing this time around. The Grid's a scary place now. It was before as well, but this time around it's a lot darker and the concept of digitization isn't a new one. We're not supposed to be in awe that Sam's inside a computer-- that's old hat to us and we're half expecting Rinzler to be working hand-in-hand with Agent Smith and any number of other characters that show up in the human-to-digital stories that are out there. We're just supposed to focus on the story... which includes Sam starting out confused. i'd say we still figure out what's going on faster than he did; when the reco shows up he still half expects he's back home getting arrested again. What do you want? I'm busy.
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Posts: 298 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 7:46 AM
Kat Wrote:Besides, as someone else pointed out, T:L isn't going for the "isn't this magical and wonderful?" thing this time around. The Grid's a scary place now. It was before as well, but this time around it's a lot darker and the concept of digitization isn't a new one. We're not supposed to be in awe that Sam's inside a computer-- that's old hat to us and we're half expecting Rinzler to be working hand-in-hand with Agent Smith and any number of other characters that show up in the human-to-digital stories that are out there. We're just supposed to focus on the story... which includes Sam starting out confused. i'd say we still figure out what's going on faster than he did; when the reco shows up he still half expects he's back home getting arrested again. |
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Posts: 3,301 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 11:54 AM
Cool. No problem -- just one more way T:L divides rather than unites. Par for the course
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Posts: 443 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 2:59 PM
My original intent of this post was just to point out that the end credits scene IS the tranference scene. Just just cut that into the movie at that point, add some good Carlos music and bam!
Cmon, someone has some editing skills can make something and put it on youtube no? The pieces are there, just need a bit of rearranging.
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Posts: 3,301 | RE: Legacy DID have a long Real World to Digital World sequence on Thursday, September, 15, 2011 10:58 PM
If that was used as the wormhole scene, I would felt short-changed. Not as much as the current zap that goes on... but short-changed, nonetheless. where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online
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