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Posts: 331 | Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Monday, August, 22, 2011 5:48 PM
Well, TRON had the religious tone of if the users, who were basically were gods, existed.
Tron Legacy had the ISOs, which symbolized the idea of people being created by nothing through the right conditions.
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Posts: 93 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Monday, August, 22, 2011 6:04 PM
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Posts: 4,349 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Monday, August, 22, 2011 6:41 PM
If Tron 3 goes back to the Encom system, then I believe there will be some religious tones similar to what we saw in the original Tron. Keep in mind that The Grid and the Encom mainframe (at least as we saw it in the original film) are two very different places. In The Grid, Kevin Flynn was the sole user, and since his goal was to create a digital society, as opposed to using programs like most people would use a regular computer, the programs in The Grid had free will, and would perform their tasks when they felt the time was right, or they would go to the End of Line Club or similar establishments when they just want to relax.
The Encom system is a different story, though. It is a corporate computer network, where we have hundreds of employees writing programs and using programs constantly. For standard programs there is no free will, they just constantly carry out their user's commands. In the original Tron, the only program with free will was the MCP since he was the most powerful program in the system and had abandoned his user (Dillinger).
In short, programs in The Grid go along their own business doing whatever they want, while the ones in the Encom system are always serving the being who created them: their User, hence my prediction that the religious themes will be back in Tron 3 if it takes place in the Encom system.
 
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Posts: 948 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Tuesday, August, 23, 2011 3:43 AM
For me that is what Tron is about when you boil down all the stuff on top, Tron was about religious persecucion: If you believed in the users you were sent to the game grid to die, if you join the MCP you will survive. Tron: Legacy kind of had this same theme running through as well, the programs saw Flynn as the creator and possibly ISOs saw this even more. You cannot deny Quorra's belief in Flynn as the creator and as a living God (ish), she even whispers and looks over her shoulder when she speaks against Flynn to Sam about what to do about CLU when they first meet, as if Flynn will hear her.
TL reminds me of the ancient religions where you have the Creator God who is overthrown by their son/creation that his/her place (Odin/Jupiter/Zues). The Son believes he is more wise and powerful and should rule over that of their father so he leads an uprising sometimes killing or driving out the creator (as in Norse Mythology I believe however I may be wrong as I am not an expert :P). But to me TL had this theme running through the whole movie, but then you have the Catholic view of the Son of the creator coming to save the people and rid the world of evil.
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Posts: 2,395 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Saturday, August, 27, 2011 5:48 PM
The interesting thing about the Encom system is that a program doesn't answer just to the person who wrote it, if only one person even wrote the programs there. There could be multiple instances of each program across the company... each program used by however many employees there are... so what would be that dynamic? And it will be interesting to see how they would envision a corporate-type network as well. A city's streets as the network, with each individual machine being like an individual building? Do you suppose Encom employees would have actual PCs at each desk, or would they use a system of thin clients (or maybe both depending on the role of the employee, like one of my former employers did)? And what would be the difference in the look between each type from the inside?
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Posts: 948 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Sunday, August, 28, 2011 1:42 PM
| Kat Wrote:The interesting thing about the Encom system is that a program doesn't answer just to the person who wrote it, if only one person even wrote the programs there. There could be multiple instances of each program across the company... each program used by however many employees there are... so what would be that dynamic? And it will be interesting to see how they would envision a corporate-type network as well. A city's streets as the network, with each individual machine being like an individual building? Do you suppose Encom employees would have actual PCs at each desk, or would they use a system of thin clients (or maybe both depending on the role of the employee, like one of my former employers did)? And what would be the difference in the look between each type from the inside? |
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Posts: 2,395 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Sunday, August, 28, 2011 5:46 PM
laphtiya Wrote:| Kat Wrote:The interesting thing about the Encom system is that a program doesn't answer just to the person who wrote it, if only one person even wrote the programs there. There could be multiple instances of each program across the company... each program used by however many employees there are... so what would be that dynamic? And it will be interesting to see how they would envision a corporate-type network as well. A city's streets as the network, with each individual machine being like an individual building? Do you suppose Encom employees would have actual PCs at each desk, or would they use a system of thin clients (or maybe both depending on the role of the employee, like one of my former employers did)? And what would be the difference in the look between each type from the inside? |
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I had a "real" PC there so I never used one, though when I used to help answer phones down at the Help Desk I felt bad for all the folks down there trying to ascertain which the users had... "what does it look like? Does it look like a regular computer or is it small and black?" It was a very common conversation to have. But then again, I also heard one of them spend fifteen minutes trying to explain to a regional pres how to cut and paste, so...
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Posts: 2 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Monday, August, 29, 2011 12:35 AM
Looks like there may be something on the horizon.
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Posts: 948 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Tuesday, August, 30, 2011 6:00 AM
Kat Wrote:laphtiya Wrote:| Kat Wrote:The interesting thing about the Encom system is that a program doesn't answer just to the person who wrote it, if only one person even wrote the programs there. There could be multiple instances of each program across the company... each program used by however many employees there are... so what would be that dynamic? And it will be interesting to see how they would envision a corporate-type network as well. A city's streets as the network, with each individual machine being like an individual building? Do you suppose Encom employees would have actual PCs at each desk, or would they use a system of thin clients (or maybe both depending on the role of the employee, like one of my former employers did)? And what would be the difference in the look between each type from the inside? |
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I had a "real" PC there so I never used one, though when I used to help answer phones down at the Help Desk I felt bad for all the folks down there trying to ascertain which the users had... "what does it look like? Does it look like a regular computer or is it small and black?" It was a very common conversation to have. But then again, I also heard one of them spend fifteen minutes trying to explain to a regional pres how to cut and paste, so...
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Posts: 573 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Thursday, September, 01, 2011 5:39 AM
laphtiya Wrote:
TL reminds me of the ancient religions where you have the Creator God who is overthrown by their son/creation that his/her place (Odin/Jupiter/Zues). The Son believes he is more wise and powerful and should rule over that of their father so he leads an uprising sometimes killing or driving out the creator (as in Norse Mythology I believe however I may be wrong as I am not an expert :P). But to me TL had this theme running through the whole movie, but then you have the Catholic view of the Son of the creator coming to save the people and rid the world of evil.
It wasn't flat out clear in TL but it was there for sure, I have no doubt that we will see this carried through into Tron 3. |
Can I just say something?
The first film has a very strong RELIGIOUS tone to it-the Users (us) are revered by the Programs inside the computer world has some kind of divine entities who created them (I seem to remember in the special features bit on the DVD that they even used church organ music to enhance the spiritual effect).
I don’t know about anyone else, but, apart from Kevin Flynn’s hippy-guru-zen like thing, one of things that struck me about Legacy was that seemed more POLITICAL rather then religious.
There were many factors about this-Clu seizing control of the system & overthrowing Flynn’s influence could be akin to a MILITARY COUP, whilst his systematic destruction of the ISO’s could be what is referred to in our (real) world has ETHNIC CLEANSING. Tragically, there have been many examples of this in our human history, from the Nazi’s persecution of the Jews during the Second World War to places like Bosnia and Serbia during the 1990s.
And to further emphasis the point , when I was watching it with my father, and the scene where Clu was giving his speech to the legions of Guards onboard the Rectifier, he actually said that, watching it, it was like Adolf Hitler publicly addressing the people of Berlin during World War II.
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Posts: 948 | RE: Do you think Tron 3 (if it is made) will have some Religious tone to it?
on Thursday, September, 01, 2011 8:47 AM
EXODUS Wrote:laphtiya Wrote:
TL reminds me of the ancient religions where you have the Creator God who is overthrown by their son/creation that his/her place (Odin/Jupiter/Zues). The Son believes he is more wise and powerful and should rule over that of their father so he leads an uprising sometimes killing or driving out the creator (as in Norse Mythology I believe however I may be wrong as I am not an expert :P). But to me TL had this theme running through the whole movie, but then you have the Catholic view of the Son of the creator coming to save the people and rid the world of evil.
It wasn't flat out clear in TL but it was there for sure, I have no doubt that we will see this carried through into Tron 3. |
Can I just say something?
The first film has a very strong RELIGIOUS tone to it-the Users (us) are revered by the Programs inside the computer world has some kind of divine entities who created them (I seem to remember in the special features bit on the DVD that they even used church organ music to enhance the spiritual effect).
I don’t know about anyone else, but, apart from Kevin Flynn’s hippy-guru-zen like thing, one of things that struck me about Legacy was that seemed more POLITICAL rather then religious.
There were many factors about this-Clu seizing control of the system & overthrowing Flynn’s influence could be akin to a MILITARY COUP, whilst his systematic destruction of the ISO’s could be what is referred to in our (real) world has ETHNIC CLEANSING. Tragically, there have been many examples of this in our human history, from the Nazi’s persecution of the Jews during the Second World War to places like Bosnia and Serbia during the 1990s.
And to further emphasis the point , when I was watching it with my father, and the scene where Clu was giving his speech to the legions of Guards onboard the Rectifier, he actually said that, watching it, it was like Adolf Hitler publicly addressing the people of Berlin during World War II.
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Yes very political but again all the points you've said have also happened in ancient religions, lets not forget Odin's Ethnic clensing of the Ice Giants in the Norse Religion and the fact that Odin is not the Creator God but he siezed power for himself. But yes I agree Flynn's system has seemed to have had its own version of World War II, all in the name of Perfection and superiority I believe Hitler was the same (but lets not spoil this thread with a Hitler debate please :P)
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