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ChessMess
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How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Wednesday, July, 27, 2011 7:53 PM
Considering what it is, what it represents, how in the world does no one in Tron world not have a form of instant communications? At no point in the new or old movie is any semblance of communications other than Face-to-Face, Save Sark & the MCP Cone of Silence, used.

All those programs in the Carrier HQ and none could text or IM Clu : "Sam iz in r base, killin r d00dz!"


 
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Wednesday, July, 27, 2011 11:37 PM
In my story, they utilize a sort of smartphone system.... but it bugs me, because how does that work? Like a computer inside a computer, what??? What OS do they run? Y'know? I mean, my idea of how our concept of messaging works, as seen from the inside, would be programs running around like couriers. So how does that work with a text message? Who has to grab it and run it to someone else? Y'know?

(Though we do see that Clu has some sort of iPad-like device that lets him view info on combatants in the Games, so who knows: http://www.homeofthenutty.com/movies/screencaps/displayimage.php?album=140&pid=151457#top_display_media )where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Thursday, July, 28, 2011 2:02 AM
ChessMess Wrote: "Sam iz in r base, killin r d00dz!"

"All Flynn's Base Are Belong To Clu"


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EXODUS
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Friday, July, 29, 2011 1:57 PM
I seem to remember there being other forms of comunication in the first film.

For example:

* After Tron, Flynn & Ram escape the Gaming Grid and flee, the Rectifier & a squadron of tanks are seeing travelling through the canyons. In that scene, you can hear the tank commander (I think) reporting in.
* When the Solar Sailer is being rendered for Tron and Yori's use, someone seems to be making some kind of tannoy annoucement, presumably for someone to here.

And let's not forget Flynn talking DIRECTLY to Clu (the original one) in the tank when he was trying to hack in near the begining of the film.


 
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Monday, August, 01, 2011 11:51 PM
Don't forget the Grid developed separately from the real world. The last time Flynn entered the grid was at the end of the 80s - email and newsgroup posting was about the last contemporary internet message concept he would bring in.

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Kat
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Tuesday, August, 02, 2011 6:50 AM
Yeah, but he thought of wi-fi in '85, remember? If Flynn was supposedly way ahead of the game technology-wise, he may well have implemented some of it.

(And if we're supposed to believe computers in 1982 were already so advanced as to have AI and the ability to replicate human matter-- something someone I heard on a radio show the other day say we MIGHT have enough technology to do in 100 years if we were optimistic, though he was referring to quantum teleportation mostly as it related to Star Trek but I think it could apply here too, and, granted, I was at work so I was only half paying attention but I think that was the essence of what he said--then I don't see why the Grid wouldn't be more advanced in other ways as well.)

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mastercilinder
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Tuesday, August, 02, 2011 9:45 AM
It kinda makes sense that there isn't a form of "phone".

Programs in a computer don't really have designated communication between each other, it's usually just the user's orders or another programs orders.

Since it's inside the computer, it takes the programs a while to do things a user sees done almost instantly, so it's also not there for technical reasons.

Flynn might of been able to develop something akin to those sphere -ish I/Os from Tron 2.0


 
RenegadeProgram
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Tuesday, August, 02, 2011 2:36 PM
EXODUS Wrote:I seem to remember there being other forms of comunication in the first film.

For example:

* After Tron, Flynn & Ram escape the Gaming Grid and flee, the Rectifier & a squadron of tanks are seeing travelling through the canyons. In that scene, you can hear the tank commander (I think) reporting in.
* When the Solar Sailer is being rendered for Tron and Yori's use, someone seems to be making some kind of tannoy annoucement, presumably for someone to here.

And let's not forget Flynn talking DIRECTLY to Clu (the original one) in the tank when he was trying to hack in near the begining of the film.

That wasn't the Rectifier in the first Tron film. That was Sark's carrier, and even though the design looked similar, it was a completely different ship. TRON 1 took place inside the ENCOM 511; Tron Legacy took place inside of Flynn's personal secret server, a whole different server, which was not connected to the internet or any outside systems.

The Tank Commander was talking into his head set to Sark, who could hear the radio chatter of his soldiers in the command center. We see and hear this whenever the camera cuts back to the command center - you hear radio chatter of Sark's men in the background. In terms of the real world, the radio chatter would symbolize whatever guardian programs on the ENCOM 511 (under the MCP's "direction") were communicating to each other, during the duration of their operational functioning. Reminds me of some computer terminology I've heard used in reference to how hard drives or components talk to each other: master and slave. Lisberger and Ms. MacBird were geniuses when they combined those elements into TRON.

As far as Flynn, "talking directly to Clu", he wasn't. That was Lisberger symbolizing what Clu would have heard from the instructions that Flynn was giving Clu through what was being typed into the computer. To Clu, it registered as if Flynn was literally talking to him over a phone or something. Same thing when Tron went into the I/O Tower: though you could hear Alan1's voice, Alan Bradley wasn't literally sitting there talking into his computer to Tron. Tron's programming registered what was in the code as if Alan1 was talking directly to him. Upon closer inspection, you will notice that Alan1 doesn't even give direct verbal responses to what Tron is saying; however, it seems as if Flynn does. I count that to either the writers wanting to emphasize Flynn's specialness, or to reiterate the fact that Clu 1.0 was actually a renegade program, hence why his circuits were yellow. The only allegiance Clu 1 had was to his USER Kevin, which further makes sense when Clu is trapped by the MCP and interrogated. He says to the MCP, "Hey Mister High-and-Mighty Master Control, you're not making me talk!!!!".

Also, another key thing that was stated in the first Tron film, and I recall Tron, Yori, Dumont, and possibly Ram saying this, is that communication between USERS and PROGRAMS had been cut off. That's why Dumont was hesitant to let Tron, Yori, and probably any other program in to the I/O Tower, because Sark and the MCP forbade it, making it an offense punishable by derezzing. One of the first things Dumont says is, "Well, I could be derezzed for letting you in here!".

In regards to the original poster, that's an interesting question. You would think that the USERS and Programs would be able to simultaneously talk to each other through IMs or SMS or something like that. However, I think that Programs not being able to talk directly to their USERS is a stylistic choice that Steven Lisberger, Joe Kosinski and the writers decided to take - it reinforces the idea that the USERS are god-like beings that can only be reached through special means, i.e., that means, only being able to reach a User via an I/O Tower in the first film (just like in the real world when it is said that people can talk to God either in a church or via meditation), or as in Legacy, having the USER directly beam themself into the Grid via the Shiva Laser. Also, even though in the real world we have the ability to talk to other people via IMs and SMS, I still have yet to see the ability to use that same software to actually communicate with a USER. However, one exception to this was the relationship between Ed Dillinger and the MCP - they literally talked directly to each other without any middleman. Again, they may have been a stylistic choice, as maybe the bad guys were meant to be able to talk directly to each other whereas the good guys would have to suffer being cut off with their USERs.

In Tron: Legacy, since there weren't any I/O Towers, I'd think that any communication between the USER, (who'd be Kevin Flynn) would have to be either coded in when a program was rezzed up, or if Flynn himself literally beamed himself inside the Grid. That's a significant difference between the first film and second one. We see this in the comic book as well as the film when the backstory is shown of how Flynn left Tron and Clu 2.0 to look after the Grid, while he handled his business in the real world. Flynn (or more exactly, his digital form) was literally right there with Tron and Clu 2.0, talking to them. It would have been nice to have seen a scene of Flynn sitting at his computer doing some actual coding and then cut in shots of Clu 2.0 and Tron responding to what was being coded. That was one complaint I've heard of in regards to Tron Legacy, and I agree.

In the end, I think it's a stylistic device that reinforces one of the main thematic elements of the TRONiverse, that being the gap between USERs and PROGRAMs, just like the gap between MORTALS and their GODS/GODDESSES/DEITIES that they communicate with.

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EXODUS
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Tuesday, August, 02, 2011 3:29 PM
I thought both the carrier and the Rectifier were both the same kind of ship. Has you said, they're both very similar to each other, so I thought they were both the same kind of vehicle.
Given the resemblance between the two, it was a simple mistake.
Has for the first Clu, the fact that he seemed to be responding to what Flynn was saying to him gave me the impression that there was some kind of dialogue going back-and-forth between them there, but, again, has you pointed, it's to emphasis the fact that Clu knows exactly what his mission was & why Flynn sent him there.

To be honest, it has been a LONG time since I last watched the first film...:P


 
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Tuesday, August, 02, 2011 4:34 PM
In the original Tron, there do appear to be communicators in the light-cycles.

"This is Blue-Leader to Blue Bikes; run these guys into your jet walls!"

"Copy, Blue-Leader!"

"Copy, Blue-Leader"

"This is Gold-One to Gold-Two and -Three; split up! Take 'em one-on-one!"
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RenegadeProgram
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RE: How could the Tron world NOT have this technology?

on Tuesday, August, 02, 2011 4:54 PM
True indeed. I forgot to mention that. You can hear it when they shoot down the game grid, and even when Flynn, Ram, and Tron are executing their illegal exit.

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