So we have a choice between tyrant... and.... tyrant.

Hmm, must be a 2-party democracy.

How is Flynn a tyrant when he was only doing what is natural for programs to do?

Clu took over command functions from Flynn and so the programs followed his desires.


The only thing was the way in which Clu was created was unique, unlike any other way a program has been created before, and thus transferred to Clu his own desires for a perfect world and a desire to create a new utopia. Flynn wanted to do that not in his natural world (our world) but in the computer. Clu wanted to do it that not in his natural world (the computer) but in our world. Neither wanted their own world but the other.

We should remember that from the POV of the average program, Clu was already the command program of the system. Flynn's visits to the grid were decades apart from the perspective of someone inside the grid. Clu was the normal face of "rule".

And because of that, Flynn was more the mythological creator figure - not a politician or leader that you'd look to for direct guidance and/or to fulfill promises.

It seems as if it'd be relatively simple in concept, if not execution, for Clu to spin his rebellion as having to break from Flynn in order to continue doing the job he'd always done for everyone - for the average citizen. With grid bugs, system errors, and resentment towards the alien ISOs... the grid was not a happy place. And to most programs Clu was probably the man desperately trying to keep it all together.

We also must consider the possibility that over a thousand cycles, Clu merely arranged for the disappearance and rectification of programs who openly continued to wait for Flynn, their "god" to return and take charge. Leaving only the unhappiest programs who really felt betrayed by their lot.

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Flynn wasn't a a bag guy, you forget not many programs were fully awaire of the "real world" yeah they would have known of the users that they must exist elsewhere but not in the sense that Clu did. Clu was just trying to do what he saw as the perfect system where as Flynn had changed from that original course, so you could even argue that Clu wasn't a bad guy either, he was just doing what he was programmed to do. Flynn didn't really trap them in the city they could go anywhere on the grid, they all had their on functions to carry out. Clu began taking programs and changing their functions as he deemed fit in order to achieve the perfect system. He wasn't really a bad guy he was just extreme to the max as he was told to be. I guess you could say it was a split 50/50 on who was to blame for the current situation.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

The villain was Bit all along, "the phantom menace"...

Ram64 Wrote:umm..... Clu? duh? what I mean is, the movie TRIES to pin it on flynn. but, if you go to helloflynn.com and enter all the codes, and read ALL the notes, you will find that the old grid was PARADISE. Take the recognizer for example. under flynn's rule, they picked up defective programs, and brought them to flynn, to observe them, learn from them, and fix them. under Clu's rule, you have a guy in a recognizer shaking like a leaf, and mumbling: "games games games games games!" So who is the bad guy indeed? Probably the guy who... you know.... ruined everything.

Creating perfection aside, what made Clu go this bad? I mean, destroying programs in games that were once meant to train programs, that's just mean, not creating perfection. We can't say he was destroying imperfect programs because there are faster easier ways to do that.

Flynn was the bad guy.

He gave the same maniacal "this is our destiny" speech as Clu. One and the same wanting to exploit the other world. The ISOs would have had their parts harvested like in the movie COMA to sustain the lives of the rich and powerful.