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 Posts: 160 | Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 05, 2011 1:50 PM
Greetings, programs.
I have had a few things bugging me for a while now, inconsistencies perhaps, that I would love to have clarified if possible.
Program names - are they in caps ie TRON (capitalized by our iPad automatically!) or like human names, ie Tron? Thoughts? In the official novelization of the 1982 film they are in human style.
The ship/simulation stolen by Yori in TRON and hitchhiked upon by the heroes in Legacy - solar sailer, solar sailor, light sailer?
What exactly did the grid bugs DO in TRON? I watched it again the other day, quite closely after they were activated, and they didn't appear again unless I missed them. Deleted scene perhaps?
Lightcycles are activated by the game grid controller (1982) or by batons (2010) - how did Kevin Flynn keep his personal lightcycle permanently activated, as it were? Or, as a user did he merely write some code that enabled it to remain as a solid entity, like the tanks in 1982 and (presumably) the recognizers? And did he also, for that matter, write a self-replicating pig code for dinners? ;-P
What happened to Bit after being trapped in the blue reco? Did he eventually get out and become attached to Tron perhaps?
I'm keen to hear any theories/fanfic/official word on these questions of mine, as they have a tendency to eat away at me somewhat.abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion
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 Posts: 779 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 05, 2011 1:57 PM
I've always capitalized them in keeping with oldschool computers n all. CLU, TRON, RAM, etc. Clu just doesn't work, but mostly because it's an acronym. With more recent conventions, it would make more sense to be Tron, Yori, Ram... so I dunno. Guess it depends which in-continuity era.
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typicaltronname User
 Posts: 1,670 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 05, 2011 2:04 PM
As for the light cycle part, Flynn is a creator, so he can by all intents an purposed keep his own Cycle activated at all time.
What happened to bit? Who knows? He was supposed to be a constant character in the first Tron, but time and money was needed and they had neither, so the "killed" him off when the Reco crash landed
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 Posts: 2,395 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 05, 2011 2:16 PM
Poor little Bit.
How does one get OFF a lightcycle, anyway? All I recall about T:L is that all we saw were crash landings, right? How does it work in normal situations? Do you climb off then it goes back into the baton, or it de-rezzes and you land on your feet, or?where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online What do you want? I'm busy.
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 Posts: 1,670 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 05, 2011 2:20 PM
If the Tron: Evolution for the PS3 is the way you get off a Cycle in Current-era Tron, then getting off a cycle takes place in a jump as it derezzes.
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EXODUS User
 Posts: 573 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Monday, February, 07, 2011 12:25 PM
With regards to the 'getting off of a Lightcycle'-it also happened in the special trailer that they showed at the comic con.
After causing him to crash, Clu's (unnamed) opponent slides across the ground before (almost) falling off the edge of an abyss.
We then see Kevin get up & walk to the window, to see Clu pull up and get off to finish that program off ("It's just a game!" "Not anymore...").
And has to Gridbugs-storywise, I like to think that they are like the ISOs (i.e. they are various pieces of data, information and energy in the system that manifested themselves into a form, but the lack of data/information they had to do so was much more limited then the ISOs, hence the reasons why they appeared has simple animals rather then seinteint 'beings'). There doesn't really seem to be any real reason for there purpose.
Production wise, I think the producers just added that scene to add a bit more interest to the enviroment (the another visual effect perhaps, but nothing more).
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![]() Posts: 99 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Monday, February, 07, 2011 1:16 PM
I have a question, something that always threw me a bit...
Where did all the food come from when Kevin, Sam, and Quorra are sitting down and getting aquainted? Did Kevin 'create' it? If so, is it real or just like a digitized synthetic food? Do programs like TRON or CLU need to eat?
That being said, how did Kevin exist all those years in The Grid without sustenance for his physical body that was being "held" within the laser?
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typicaltronname User
 Posts: 1,670 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Monday, February, 07, 2011 1:18 PM
As regards to grid bugs, Tron: Betrayal has some info on them. The writing is good, the drawing is horrible, though, they paint the original Tron as being this huge buff guy.
He was lean and fit in the movie, not a massive muscular guy. That is my major gripe with the comic, but the story is worth it.
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typicaltronname User
 Posts: 1,670 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Monday, February, 07, 2011 1:26 PM
JInfantry23 Wrote:I have a question, something that always threw me a bit...
Where did all the food come from when Kevin, Sam, and Quorra are sitting down and getting aquainted? Did Kevin 'create' it? If so, is it real or just like a digitized synthetic food? Do programs like TRON or CLU need to eat?
That being said, how did Kevin exist all those years in The Grid without sustenance for his physical body that was being "held" within the laser? |
As for The food, the only likely explanation is that Flynn created it. Obviously, there aren't wild pigs running around in the Grid.
I'd say it's digital food, that tastes the same as regular Real-World food, or else why would Flynn go to those lengths to create something that is tasteless, or that tastes the same as everything else?
It seem that programs do not need to eat, though Quorra is eating with Flynn and Sam. It seems that they can eat if they want, but it looks like Energy is the only thing they need, which comes in a liquid form.
His body wasn't being "held" per se, only his matter. His actual body was in the Grid.
One instance of this being true, is that Sam Flynn bleeds on the Grid, so his body isn't being held in those canisters, only his matter.
I do not know what the "matter" would be comprised of, but whatever it is, it seems to be liquid, as it's being held in canisters beside the laser.
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Kat User
 Posts: 2,395 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Monday, February, 07, 2011 10:53 PM
Gosh, I feel like this is SO another thread, so I might have to start one eventually....but I think it was implied by someone on another thread--maybe rimwall's thread about nailing down rules, though I dunno that he was the one to say it--that the Grid existence is not a physical thing but more like a consciousness thing ("you think that's air you're breathing??"). And someone mentioned that a lot of the stuff in the original Tron existed really as allegory of sorts, rather than that that exact thing was happening (hard to explain without being able to pull up the specific quote). That would eliminate any wondering about WHERE, exactly, the Grid exists (processor? Hard drive? Memory?). And also any wondering about...what, programs are really really tiny??
I don't know if this is the case, but bear with me while I take it and run with it. If it WERE the, then sure, why not? Sam can bleed because Sam expects to be able to bleed; it's what he's used to. (I think I asked on another thread long ago: do users eat because they need to, or because it's what they're used to?) I mean, it could be that users just have mental constructs around X, Y, and Z, because to them, that's the way the world and their bodies work, and taking too much of that away for the unexpected would just weird them out too much. Probably similarly, programs would be way too freaked out if they COULD bleed...
And now for another question: how many programs do you suppose are on the Grid? I think the Tron Wiki says the population just of Tron City is in the millions, but I find it really hard to believe that 2. Flynn created that many programs, and 2. there is a need for that many on a system.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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EXODUS User
 Posts: 573 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Wednesday, February, 09, 2011 2:55 PM
LWSrocks Wrote:Kat Wrote:Gosh, I feel like this is SO another thread, so I might have to start one eventually....but I think it was implied by someone on another thread--maybe rimwall's thread about nailing down rules, though I dunno that he was the one to say it--that the Grid existence is not a physical thing but more like a consciousness thing ("you think that's air you're breathing??"). That would eliminate any wondering about WHERE, exactly, the Grid exists (processor? Hard drive? Memory?). I don't know if this is the case, but bear with me while I take it and run with it. If it WERE the, then sure, why not? Sam can bleed because Sam expects to be able to bleed; it's what he's used to. (I think I asked on another thread long ago: do users eat because they need to, or because it's what they're used to?) I mean, it could be that users just have mental constructs around X, Y, and Z, because to them, that's the way the world and their bodies work, and taking too much of that away for the unexpected would just weird them out too much. Probably similarly, programs would be way too freaked out if they COULD bleed... |
I don't really think it has such a mental, metaphysical existence, I think it really is just what it is on the screen: Users eat because they're humans and therefore have to eat, and bleed because they're humans and therefore bleed. I know it doesn't make sense, humans being humans inside a computer, but that's just the thing about science fiction. |
What I want to know is, what happens to that particular system when you switch the computor OFF?
The power in the arcade had been switched off for YEARS, so how can the system still function when there's no power to the central processer(s).
Does the Tron world still exist when the computors are actually switched off?
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Kat User
 Posts: 2,395 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Wednesday, February, 09, 2011 5:50 PM
I think we decided he probably had a separate generator running the secret office.
Which could very well be the case...after all, when Sam flips the main breaker, every light in the arcade upstairs turns on, including all the lights in the "official" office. But not downstairs, which might imply that they hadn't been left on and then flipped off with the main breaker, but probably were turned off by Flynn at the switch.
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 Posts: 573 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 12, 2011 9:19 AM
I had a thought last night:
At the start of the first film, in the arcade, we see some guy playing Lightcycles on an arcade machine. The camera zooms in, and we see that it's Sark racing against an opponent on the Gaming Grid.
After he defeats that opponent (much to the player's frustration), he then rides off, and the next thing we see is the Rectifier.
What I want to know is-how did he get there?
That particular game isn't wired up to another system or mainframe.
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 Posts: 160 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 12, 2011 2:10 PM
I finished the official novelization of the 1982 film and the programs are all humanised in terms of name, ie Sark, Clu, Ram, Tron. Also at the end of the book Bit (or, the Bit, as he is called here) somehow escapes the crashed reco and indeed attaches himself to Tron and, presumably, Yori.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online
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 Posts: 2,395 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 12, 2011 7:59 PM
I would think that the only way they would not be "humanized" is if they stand for something. Hence, "CLU" might be in all caps; "Rinzler" would not. If "Gem" and "Sark" and "Bit" are all acronyms, then they might be capitalized. However, such a way of writing is clunky, and annoying to both read and write, so it makes sense that it would be "humanized" (after all, who writes "LASER" anymore? Things have a way of evolving to make them more efficient to read and write, and over time it becomes accepted as long as everyone knows what you're talking about.) And since we're looking at programs with human forms, we might as well write their names in a more humanized way as well.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online
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 Posts: 1,178 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Saturday, February, 12, 2011 9:12 PM
typicaltronname Wrote:As for the light cycle part, Flynn is a creator, so he can by all intents an purposed keep his own Cycle activated at all time.
What happened to bit? Who knows? He was supposed to be a constant character in the first Tron, but time and money was needed and they had neither, so the "killed" him off when the Reco crash landed
If you look at the first film, Bit tried to go with Flynn after he gets dumped from the control room. There is a fraction of opening at the bottom of the viewing window, and he heads for it but it closes on him. We see him flit away somewhere, still active. What happens to him ultimately, we aren't told. Poor little guy.
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EXODUS User
 Posts: 573 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 1:54 PM
recognizerpilot Wrote:I finished the official novelization of the 1982 film and the programs are all humanised in terms of name, ie Sark, Clu, Ram, Tron. Also at the end of the book Bit (or, the Bit, as he is called here) somehow escapes the crashed reco and indeed attaches himself to Tron and, presumably, Yori. |
I don't surpose anyones thought of looking at the end credits, to see how the characters names are spelt (either capitals or humanised)?
And with regards to the food-when we see the inside of Flynn's quarters, apart from the food and some furniture, I like to think that he actually brought SOME of those things with him through that laser.
In the first film, they were experimenting with OBJECTS (eg. an orange), so I would like to think that he probably beamed some objects of his own in has well.
The furniture is unlikely (because I don't really think that you would have that sort of thing in furniture shops in 1989), but the books YES. They look more 'real' then most other things in that room, and Quorra said that he had been teaching her about Jules Verne, etc.
My theory is that he beamed certain objects (like the books) into the computor, and then finds a safe place for them when he then goes in himself. And when he takes a break from designing that system, he uses the books & anything he's placed there to teach the programs all about the history & the world of the Users.
He may be a first rate computor programmer, but probably doesn't know everything about art, literature, etc, so he would have had to use something has his source material.
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 Posts: 1,461 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 1:58 PM
Oh yeah, another odd thought of something blatantly deviated from the first film. Did the whole "Programs looking like their Users" thing just get completely thrown out the window?
It was a lot easier to pull off in the old film. A whole team of programmers at ENCOM, plust who knows how many stolen ones from other companies, so there's room for plenty of Programs with different faces.
But who besides the ISO's and Tron on the new Grid WEREN'T created by Flynn? Logically, shouldn't they all resemble him? (boring idea I know, but I wish they'd explained it. Seems like Flynn probably had them generated fractally or something, thereby giving them extremely diverse personalities.
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 Posts: 2,395 | RE: Questions in general re the Grid and inhabitants on Thursday, February, 17, 2011 8:09 PM
EXODUS Wrote:
The furniture is unlikely (because I don't really think that you would have that sort of thing in furniture shops in 1989), but the books YES. They look more 'real' then most other things in that room, and Quorra said that he had been teaching her about Jules Verne, etc.
My theory is that he beamed certain objects (like the books) into the computor, and then finds a safe place for them when he then goes in himself. And when he takes a break from designing that system, he uses the books & anything he's placed there to teach the programs all about the history & the world of the Users.
He may be a first rate computor programmer, but probably doesn't know everything about art, literature, etc, so he would have had to use something has his source material. |
I was thinking that the books were proof that he created stuff digitally...because they all look stereotypically antique, and I figured he'd be hard-pressed to find real books that looked like that...
Tron Fanatic Wrote:Oh yeah, another odd thought of something blatantly deviated from the first film. Did the whole "Programs looking like their Users" thing just get completely thrown out the window?
It was a lot easier to pull off in the old film. A whole team of programmers at ENCOM, plust who knows how many stolen ones from other companies, so there's room for plenty of Programs with different faces.
But who besides the ISO's and Tron on the new Grid WEREN'T created by Flynn? Logically, shouldn't they all resemble him? (boring idea I know, but I wish they'd explained it. Seems like Flynn probably had them generated fractally or something, thereby giving them extremely diverse personalities. |
Actually, yeah, it seems it did go out the window. If you look at the Tron section of the Disney website, they say outright that programs used to look like their users but they don't anymore. Perhaps in the "characters" section of the site?
Actually I found that the Disney site did indeed answer a couple of the questions we've had here; can't think why it didn't occur to me to look at it sooner.
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