BS! After all, how many times did his dad go into the Grid and he was still human, right? (And if not, then Sam wasn't even BORN entirely human if his dad wasn't after going in, right?)

Oh, never mind, I thought you said they said he wasn't human anymore in the REAL world.

Well, this is something we've bandied about here, how much a person's body would act human. And in debates about whether programs eat, sleep, yada yada, comes up the idea that even if programs don't, do users need to?

I don't know that we have any way of knowing for sure, from what we've been shown in the movies at least, whether either programs OR users need these things. Programs need energy, apparently, which I guess would be like their "eating." The question is, is this the same for users, or do they need something more like actual food (and if they're shown eating food, as in T:L, is it really food as we know it out here, or just a fancy form of energy they can choose to create and utilize when they get a craving for curry or hamburger?).

And, too, if we decide that users eat/sleep/whatever, as I've said before, is it because they need to truly, or just because they are used to their bodies needing these things in the real world and so they do it in the Grid either because they don't know they don't have to, or because they want to maintain some semblance of what they're used to doing?where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

Or it's just best to not read too far into it... it's a classic fantasy story reinepreted in a cheesy scifi. That's really all the needs to be said.

My money is on... Isophile.

AriesT Wrote: Since Sam bleeds when getting hit by Rinzlers ID, I say if he dies in the grid, he is pretty dead.

I'd say so too. I hate to keep referencing the Matrix, but there ARE a few parallels... just like if you die in the Matrix, you die in the real world, even though it's like a virtual mind trip and doesn't really involve your "real" body (now to me it makes sense that a person could "train" him/herself to survive even if they died in the Matrix, just like they can train themself to defy gravity and such by realizing none of it is really real and is just a mass hallucination. But whatever. However, in the Grid, I think we've agreed that some essence of a person really does exist in the Grid--it's not like their mind is "plugged in" like in the Matrix, but their actual body is taken into the laser and their consciousness is really, truly, IN the Grid. So yes, there it makes sense to me that if whatever essential part of you--call it mind, consciousness, soul, whatever--is actually in the Grid, then if it is destroyed, the body is dead as well.) No idea what might happen to a person's body in the laser, then.

^Yeah, I'd say so.

Although, I have to wonder, what is the difference between run-of-the-mill User powers, and Creator powers? I have to think they might be two different things.

And it would seem Flynn might have more power in HIS Grid than the '82 Encom version that he DIDN'T create (either that, or he just knows about what his powers are).

(I still am not 100% convinced, btw, that the program in the EOL club is kneeling to him, or whether he's begging for mercy, since right before he does it, a Sentry also walks by and it might make sense that the program thinks he might be attacked.)

Because a user was never actually killed in either film, it's hard to guess what would happen in the real world. As far as programs, if they are derezzed, can they be brought back? I mean there is software that can recover lost data or deleted programs.order abortion pill morning after pill price where to buy abortion pill

Some interesting points you raise here. I would agree that when sam and Kevin are "eating" they are consuming energy shaped like food. In the first film you see Flynn dringkin from the energy stream with Ram and Tron and it has the same effect on him.

As for the 'extra powers' that users have I would liken it to Superman, if you see what I mean :-)