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Funny if you think... there are MANY FlynnS

on Saturday, August, 07, 2010 6:10 AM
Technically speaking, we got MANY "Flynns" throughout the two TRON movies:

The original human Kevin Flynn (TRON 1)
The first FLYNN program (TRON 1)
The second human Kevin Flynn (TRON 1 ending/LEGACY 1989 excerpt)
The second FLYNN program (LEGACY)

... and we don't know if we get a third human Kevin Flynn anyway.

Fact is, when you "teleport" a person, you disintegrate him. When you get a "digitalized" version of a person, you get a "program" out of that person, so a new being. When you recompose that person, you got a new person out of new atoms, or so it seems. Fascinating.

NOTE: I remember Walter Gibbs saying that after digitalizing the original moleculas stay "inside" the laser beam range, or something along those lines...
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on Saturday, August, 07, 2010 9:05 PM
or MCP is actually governed by the three laws of robotics--- wait, he's a program!

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on Sunday, August, 22, 2010 6:34 AM
Sorry guys, I was dead wrong about this. According to Walter Gibbs (just rewatch the movie), the "original" moleculas decomposed are kept inside the laser beam range before being recomposed to "re-create" the subject.

That doesn't change the facts:

1- Flynn was disintegrated --- kinda of. So his life was "suspended", literally broken out. He died... for a while.

2- When Keving Flynn got "digitalized", he was turned into a "program". The program to reconstitute the human Kevin Flynn's moleculas into the human Kevin Flynn subject. So the Digital World FLYNN you see is made of pure source code, like Tron, Ram, Yori, Sark, etc...


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on Sunday, August, 22, 2010 5:56 PM
Kind of over-analyzing things man, no offence.
But I'll add my two-cents...

Flynn was converted into energy, yes he's "code" in-a-sense, but in a metaphysical sense he's a living soul/mind as code "soul code" (to borrow a term from Steve Lisberger as of yet unmade film project) exsisting in a microcosmic cyber space dimension

Yes in the cyberspace realm he's a "proxy" a digital approximation-construct of the "real Flynn" i.e. "not any kind of Program... he's a User" as the MCP so clearly stated to Sark.

This sets "digital Flynn" apart from Programs, hence his ability to re-assemble a broken up Recognizer, redirect a beam of energy, suck the energy out of an Elite Warrior Program, or instill energy into Yori to stop her from derezing.
Flynn as "soul code", a living mind in this digital dimension allows for him to have those abilities to manipulate the digital realm in certain ways by will power & thought alone where as Programs cannot. ( The Matrix ripped off these concepts from Tron and Gibson's "Neuromancer"! )

He may *resemble* a Program, but he is not one.
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on Thursday, September, 02, 2010 8:40 AM
I don't think MCP was being literal with Sark. The MCP just meant he was a program OUT of everything Sark did know before, and that's because FLYNN is based on an User, Kevin Flynn. It's not like FLYNN is just a 3D model of Kevin Flynn, that would be cheap. You can see FLYNN has many Program functions (grabbing a Bit as it would be his own comes to mind).

So I just think MCP intended that.

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ShadowDragon1
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on Thursday, September, 02, 2010 6:27 PM
You seem to not fully understanding what I wrote.

The MCP is matter-of-factly saying "he's not any KIND of Program" "he's a USER".

The MCP did not say "He's User I converted into a Program and is no different from other Programs!"

Flynn only **resembles*** a Program, his "shell" is LIKE that of a "Program", but he's the computer system's approximation of a living human with a actual human MIND, Flynn is "soul as code."

I wasn't saying he's a 3-D polygonal model. The Bit *assumed* Flynn was a Program because he *appears* to be one, it doesn't know he's different, and other Programs don't see past the "shell", they are not seeing that Flynn isn't really a Program.

That shell gives Flynn some program like properties yes, since he's a human proxy entity. However his human Will and his MIND set him apart from all other Programs. Hence the re-constructing a Recognizer and restoring all it's functions, not being derezzed when diverting a beam of energy, etc... These are abilities that NO Program in that realm has.

There's a metaphysical level that deals with how Flynn himself is percieving things and semi-metaphysical nature of that cyber space realm that you seem to not really noticing or understanding.

I think your being too overly techinical and coming in from only a technological view when there's actually some cyber mysticism in how Tron's cyberspace realm looks and partly in it's very nature.

There's a Taoist fable about a man once had a vivid dream he was a butterfly, and to him he felt and experienced what it is to BE a butterfly, then when he awoke he was a man again; the dream was as real as his life as a person. Was he really a man dreaming he was a butterfly, or was the butterfly actually dreaming he was a man?

Is Flynn really a Program dreaming he's a man, or a man in the form of energy, suspended in a quantum entaglement matrix "dreaming" he's in another realm, the ambguity is there. It's all the perception of Flynn, that mind that is experiencing and inhabiting that digital realm.

Flynn: " This isn't happening, he only thinks it's happening..."
Dumont: " All that is visible must grow beyond itself, into the realm of the invisible"... These are very relevant to what I speak off.

I think it's not all wholely technological...

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on Saturday, December, 04, 2010 4:26 PM
TRON's full name is TRON.exe. Flynn's full name is Flynn.dat. Got it?




 
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RE: Funny if you think... there are MANY FlynnS

on Sunday, December, 05, 2010 1:19 AM
The digitization laser is called "Shiva"...
probably in refernce to the Hindu god the creator & destroyer of the world/universe as refered to by physicist Robert Oppenheimer
as Supervising Scientist on the Manhattan Project he said

"...now I am become Death [Shiva], the destroyer of worlds..."



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