But now the argument goes from "get over nostalgia, the world has evolved," to simply "it just looks cooler in T:L" ... which is where I wanted it to go.

I think bottom line for all the changes we see in T:L are that they were done to match an artistic vision. Some of them are visions from long ago, that were unachievable during the making of the first film. Others are new visions. Some of them are evolutions for the Tron world, some are not. To use evolution for the rationale for everything that has changed is not a good argument. So while it upsets you that some folks think 90-degree turns are better and more "Tron," it upsets me when "evolution" is the catch-all phrase used to try and explain everything changed in the Tron world. Many things are artistic vision, pure and simple. They will never convince me that gravity, friction, lack of 90-degree turns and broad-stroked circuitry lines are an evolution.

In this world, we strive to figure out anti-gravity, and have no friction. To have those would be the future. I don't care what technical problems they had in the 80s when making Tron. Tron is what it we see on film. And with the way we see it, it turns out that it is more evolved in a few respects than T:L, imo.

Traahn Wrote: But I will say this: In real life, circuit boards have very intricate designs. Since the 1980s, boards have evolved where they cram more circuits into smaller space. So shouldn't the T:L suits have much more intricate designs than the original Tron versions? Instead, they're essentially swiping broad paint brush strokes across the suits and calling it good. If evolution means mirroring our reality, why have the suits devolved?

It is an evolved design. Hendrik Schon type superconductive nanotechnology was incorporated into the suits making the circuitry much more intricate than what you can see in the studio released pics.

The circuitry was sacrificed for 3D. The old-style circuitry print is doable today and doesn't need the rotoscoping, or that excuse, especially when music videos and young people at home with common software can replicate it just fine. The minimalism conveys death to me. It's lifeless, not evolved forward. I'll have to see more, but I'm getting used to it/learning to accept it. If the world of Tron used to have more life in it when the MCP had drained so much of it out for itself, what's sucking the life out of this microcosm, now, and will we see it bloom again, like at the end of Tron?

The lightcycles turning 90-degrees is how the game was made, not due to limitations, but intentional. Checkers may only move diagonally, for instance, and that is not due to limitation but to make the game what it is, on purpose. On the game GRID, they moved 90 degrees. Off the game GRID, they moved with more expected physics, On the grid, they had jet walls. Off the grid, we never saw if it was possible or not, but they didn't use them against the tanks if they were. Having 90-degree turns both created a challenge, but also kept things from getting too easy, and prevented things from getting too sloppy. Not having 90-degree turns means other things have HAD to change. Jumping walls, and surviving some types of collisions, and adding other vertical means of getting off the main floor were necessary for how quickly arcing can end the game.

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OH, Okay, that makes sense now, I was wondering why nobody was swearing >_>

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PCBs also have multiple layers. Think of the detailed stuff as being underneath and the outside visible stuff as the power and ground planes.

Cam_the_Man Wrote: Traahn, I just want you to know that I agree completely with pretty much everything you say.

Cam_the_Man, thank you for saying! I fight for the users to defeat Sark and the MCP!!

CaptainCR Wrote:for those using the ae was made that way" all i cans ay is "the game has changed".

...In odd ways, though. I'm not sure I'm completely down with tossing aside the laws of the Tron universe, or giving mechanical function/explanation to how everything works, just so it matches our own better, so it's more famliar to us. I like some mystery and unfamiliar stuff. I almost half-expect the Tron police to toss out a sheet of nails to pop the tires of a rogue quad-runner, just because that would be 'realistic' and make everyone feel at home... and like a present day realistic video game.

Imagine if Tron Legacy had Ram in it as if he never derezzed in the original Tron. Wouldn't that be a little odd to you? That's canon, and you'd be a bit perplexed, maybe a little upset that they tossed that history aside. To which some would say, "But the game has changed, CaptainCR!" Well, the feeling you'd get with that might be similar to how I feel about seeing a few of the changes I've seen in the Tron universe for T:L.

ShadowDragon1, I had tried to avoid parts of the circuit discussion by saying, "(No need to get into the technicalities behind making T:L's glowing suits; I've heard that reasoning before.)" As Jtr7 pointed out, we're more technologically advanced to do intricate lines without rotoscoping, so no need to go there again.

The trailer looked WOW, and I didn't really notice the streamlined circuitry lines. So that's good. But the trailer was high energy with a lot to visually absorb. I'm thinking while watching the movie, during the slow times, I'll be having an internal *sigh* moment when their suits don't do much for me, compared to if they had more details to study.

bigbangbilly.exe wrote: I think the decrease in the amount of circuitry on the suit might reflect on the [decreasing] difficulty to use a computer

That could be.... an analogy, right? Is that what you mean? That'd be okay. It'd have to be an analogy because to make computers easier to use, the circuits on the inside are becoming more complex and intricate. I realize that over our time, as circuits/tracers are brought closer and closer together, their separation becomes harder and harder to see. Maybe one day we'll look at a video card and just see one broad stripe going across it, where there are trillions and trillions of tracers; where they all become "one". That's fine ... but I don't think that's why T:L is doing it; it's too early in the Tron timeline to do such a thing, imo. Maybe in 50 or 100 years, "Tron 12: Leap of Faith" could do it.

I like Jtr7's comment and idea. I think it would be pretty cool to see intricate circuit patterns grow on everyone's suits at the end of T:L... allowing them to visually come to life (bloom, as Jtr7 said). This would work well to set the stage for T:L2 where all programs have intricate patterns again! Hope they do it.

PS: To be fair to Kosinski, I had looked through some of his commercials in the past, and I love that he seems to have a unique visual way of communicating; a unique style. I have a feeling Tron will be rich with visual wonder and beauty. So although the suits may be a bit of a let-down, I have a feeling there will be Tron splendor and curiosity all around. We've already gotten a taste in the first trailers, and I look forward to seeing more. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

Traahn Wrote: Cam_the_Man Wrote: Traahn, I just want you to know that I agree completely with pretty much everything you say. Cam_the_Man, thank you for saying! I fight for the users to defeat Sark and the MCP!! CaptainCR Wrote:for those using the ae was made that way" all i cans ay is "the game has changed". ...In odd ways, though. I'm not sure I'm completely down with tossing aside the laws of the Tron universe, or giving mechanical function/explanation to how everything works, just so it matches our own better, so it's more famliar to us. I like some mystery and unfamiliar stuff. I almost half-expect the Tron police to toss out a sheet of nails to pop the tires of a rogue quad-runner, just because that would be 'realistic' and make everyone feel at home... and like a present day realistic video game. Imagine if Tron Legacy had Ram in it as if he never derezzed in the original Tron. Wouldn't that be a little odd to you? That's canon, and you'd be a bit perplexed, maybe a little upset that they tossed that history aside. To which some would say, "But the game has changed, CaptainCR!" Well, the feeling you'd get with that might be similar to how I feel about seeing a few of the changes I've seen in the Tron universe for T:L.

the possibility of ram comming back to life has nothing to do with it. and if that happened i wouldn't be perplexed. i'm sure they would have an explaination just like how Clu is back. and what "laws"? as far as i know there isn't a official set of "TRON:rules of the digital world" guide book anywhere.
and they never said the entire tron world is going to be just like the real world. all they said was it has gotten more realisitc looking. and IMO the tron universe looks cooler now than it did before with or without nostalgia clouding my mind. and like i said before. if ppl intend on seing the movie anyway then what the bit is the point of complaining about stuff? no sense in whining about it if ur going to see it anyway.

I concur with CapitanCR...

If the T:E cinematic trailer is any indication, I think the everything in film will look awsome.

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