TronFAQ
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Posts: 4,467 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Tuesday, October, 07, 2008 12:44 PM
 
This problem is very strange. At this point, I'm really not sure what advice I can give . . . other than re-installing DirectX or even Vista itself. I don't know how inconvenient re-installing Vista would be for you.
DirectX 10 only comes as part of Vista, it can't be downloaded from Microsoft. But, it's not necessary to do so. DX10 only adds some functions to DX9 that XP and earlier don't have. The DirectInput stuff is only in DX9, it wasn't updated for DX10.
Here's the download to DX9 from Microsoft, try installing this:
DirectX 9 Download
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Tuesday, October, 07, 2008 12:52 PM
I'm solving this Vista crap by Installing XP on other partition, and I'm not going to be angry with M$, because i would be very nasty and corrupt mouthed.
Installing lastest DX9 didn't help, I'll see if M$ will find solution.. any.. but solution
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TRON.dll
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Posts: 4,349 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Tuesday, October, 07, 2008 3:41 PM
Dragonfly_james Wrote:Connection Established
Aparently no game using Direct Input runs 
That's what i call quarantining the problem
I tried install UT 2004, GTA 3 etc. none worked (all actually uses DX)
So VISTA users be aware if your game doesn't wanna run, check with DX diag, most probably you got M$tuffed with DIgg
(Direct Input game gloat)
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That's very strange, I'm using Vista, and so far, the game's single player and multiplayer modes have worked fine for me...
 
TRON 2.0 (PC) name - TRON.dll
I'll play any mode, but I'm best at LC.
PSN - TRON-dll
XBOX Live/Games for Windows Live - TRONdll
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Jademz
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Tuesday, October, 07, 2008 9:26 PM
I would do a little searching to see if the files needed to load the game are loading.
There is a file called WMFADist I don't recall what fix it was used for, maybe someone can elaborate..
I took a screenshot of some important files inside my game folder, the size of the files in this list are not going to be exact because I have some modified content in the files/folders, but the important ones that you look at will be lower sized than those listed here. (click to enlarge)
Or may be corrupted.
The direction I'm leaning toward after reading, is you may need to reinstall. I've had several instances where a bad CD resuted in a failed install, and go from there. I'm sure that we'll figure out here.
The only time I've seen an executable not work was:
Drive isn't defragged, and chkdsk'ed.
bad CD or drive isn't able to read install CD properly.
missing driver
hardware going dead - motherboard, and so on.
recent service pack updates, drivers, making the condition in your PC causing an incompatibility.
Reinstalling System Drivers, but installing video drivers first.(never done this, but I always uninstall all my drivers for the system, and video, then reinstall the system first, video second when updating drivers..)
If I find anything, I'll post it.
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 5:52 AM
Greetings Helping Programs
I'm having bad feeling about it, i didn't tried on XP yet, but look what i have in Tron Folder, (it's not everything, but Bink32.dll Autorun, and Uninstall info isn't needed to see on screenshot i think)
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=axduz5.jpg
I have bad feeling i miss some files 
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Tim.H
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 6:15 AM
That's odd. My first instinct was to recommend re-installing Tron 2.0.
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 7:59 AM
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Tron works on XP... problem is most probably in Win Vista/DX10... I just finished first light cycle races...
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 7:59 AM
Tim.H Wrote:That's odd. My first instinct was to recommend re-installing Tron 2.0.
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Layer.dll
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Posts: 70 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 10:03 AM
Well..it must be something in your computers configuration - I also have Windows Vista and TRON 2.0 runs fine.
When you switched to Vista - did you do a fresh install or an upgrade? When I was testing Vista for my wife's machine - I took the shortcut and just upgraded her pc instead of doing a fresh install. Her network card worked fine with Vista - she seemed to like it..so I did a clean install and went to re-install her NIC card drivers only to learn that were not "compatible" with Vista. Motorola basically told me they had no plans to update their software either. I just put XP back on her machine. With Vista and you may never really know what is conflicting. The reason I tell this story is that if you just did an upgrade to Vista - some of your drivers may not be 100% Vista compatible and can cause issues.
In all honesty - even tho I like Vista - there isn't a real need for it unless you plan on running the 64-bit version. If you're staying 32-bit - stick with XP and get SP3.
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 10:46 AM
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I made clean Install, and Toshiba says this notebook is Vista designed... + Toshiba directly gives downloads for Vista drivers, so i wonder where's mistake
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TronFAQ
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Posts: 4,467 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 1:13 PM
I noticed from your screenshot that you have the K-Lite Codec pack installed in Vista. There's a remote possibility that it might be what's causing the problem. I doubt it, but you never know. A lot of codec packs cause problems with games.
You may also want to try a DirectX uninstaller in Vista, before reinstalling DirectX 9. Here's one that has a free trial mode, and works in Vista.
http://www.superfoxs.com/
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 1:28 PM
I uninstalled K-Lite, Uninstalled DX 9... and nothing happened problem persists
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Jademz
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Wednesday, October, 08, 2008 6:42 PM
I have a suggestion, I have tried to resolve issues using Microsoft TechNet. Windows Systernals has very informative easy to understand programs that can help.
Launch Tron 2.0 and I could log XP, perhaps someone else here could create a log using Vista, and we'll see where the conflict may be when you log the results and save them. You should see what service or file is being used for Tron to run. I can display my results, here later, then you display yours. Thanks for taking your time to figure out what the problem is, I won't blame you if you don't persist, but it would be a great tool for others in your situation.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896642.aspx File Monitor
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Thursday, October, 09, 2008 3:00 AM
Greetings programs
Jademz Wrote:I have a suggestion, I have tried to resolve issues using Microsoft TechNet. Windows Systernals has very informative easy to understand programs that can help.
Launch Tron 2.0 and I could log XP, perhaps someone else here could create a log using Vista, and we'll see where the conflict may be when you log the results and save them. You should see what service or file is being used for Tron to run. I can display my results, here later, then you display yours. Thanks for taking your time to figure out what the problem is, I won't blame you if you don't persist, but it would be a great tool for others in your situation.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896642.aspx File Monitor
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx Process Monitor |
Ok let's start with thing up, at least It'll help TronFAQ in his new version of FAQ. With this, i'd like to ask everyone to contribute with our working out which services is being used by Tron, and if i could ask save DxDiag logs. Thanks in advance
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Posts: 4,467 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Saturday, October, 11, 2008 11:13 AM
One more question . . . are you using Vista SP1, Dragonfly_james? Was Vista already updated to SP1, or did you apply the service pack afterward?
Installing SP1 might help fix anything that's currently wrong with your install of Vista. It's a long shot, but it could be worth a try.
The suggestion of using Process Explorer or Process Monitor is a good one. The only thing I'd change, though, is to not bother comparing logs with each other.
Since you said that all of your games are affected, then all you would need to do is monitor each game as it runs: and find out what the last entry in the log is for each game. It will be whatever all the logs have in common (the last entry before they hang), that is likely causing your trouble.
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Saturday, October, 11, 2008 3:25 PM
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SP1 was presinstalled on disc.
I'll see what i can do with checking where problem extactly is
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Jademz
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Saturday, October, 11, 2008 7:09 PM
Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner, my timing is.. crazy. I just set a new server up for Tron 2.0, and I've been working in the mean time. I also just set up this machine, and haven't had time to install Tron 2.0. I'll do it tonight. I'm curious to see if you have similar residuals, and what could cause the conflict. Sorry I'll get on it..
I think you could resolve this, it could be the firewall, or motherboard. I've been in your situation about 20 times since the game came out, and it's usually firewall. Norton was hell back in the day, so was Mcaffee, sygate, AVG, Panda, and about 3 others I don't remember...
I'll get a post up in a bit.
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Jademz
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Sunday, October, 12, 2008 1:23 AM
Still setting up a server... so I'll be back later in the eve. Sunday with a response. 
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Dragonfly_james
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Sunday, October, 12, 2008 2:42 AM
Connection established
Firewal isn't the oroblem, because i turned off my Firewall and Windows Firewall aswell (I turn off Windows Firewall when i install PC)...
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Jademz
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Posts: 0 | Re: Tron 2.0 and Win Vista
on Monday, October, 13, 2008 7:26 PM
Ok here's the log I created using filemon isolating the file's opening and closing. My hope is that find what may be generating the crash at the time you run Tron with these tools, good luck. FileTronJust hit the file drop down menu and hit "save as" if you chose to log and/or display your results.
Here's the screenshots I made of Process Monitor and what settings I used.
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