Microsoft has made an express version of Visual Studio FREE. That means we can all now start cranking out Tron games/screen savers

Let's get programming people!!!!

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/

Kamui Wrote:So in otherwords, great for those who want to learn programming who has a head for code; not good for those who want to make stuff, but really suck at coding. ~Kamui.EXE

True. If you REALLY suck at coding then I don't know what to tell you

However there are some "resource" kits available with examples and tutorials, also free:

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/downloads/starterkits/

Wow, I wonder what compelled Microsoft to do that. I guess it has a lot to do with Colleges and Universities pestering MS to release free versions, so students can use them at home for their projects. Or maybe they're worried about the competition.

Either way, that's fantastic news.

It's got a FREE version now? I just BOUGHT the Educational!
Oh well, it's really good that they made a version where they don't say, "Pay us a whole ton of money because we bet you're gonna sell stuff you make with it," because it is really leaving out all the people who are interested in making free software.

Yeah that is part of the reason there with Boingo as for compilers. I can tell you one thing though. This just an observation on my part here on this. And its not to diss one over the other as for Operating systems, end user, and the what nots here. But when you look at for general usage. MS is good for a simple basic user who don't want to know what goes in the background. Or cares on how to program it. Others like yourself and some others including myself. Sometime MS outside of the box installed on a new or used computers. Sometimes a general OS like Windows does not foot the bill and then go out and buy a compiler seperate. Other operating systems like Ubuntu linux, Sun solaris, Sco Unix, that have the ciompilers already included within the environment. And has included their own environment that looks and almost feels like what MS has alrady. And that would include OSX in there just so I don't forget those guys.

I'm still trying to find myself over her a compiler for an old MAC IISI compuer with Mac OS 7.0.2 I believe that is on there for free. And that will work on it too. Since the computer I got for free too. But just to see what I can do with that as for programming.

Boingo_Buzzard Wrote: Java has become a powerful programming language, usable in windows. It's free along with many wonderful IDE's. Remember when Netscape and Internet Explorer were for sale? They're now free and the concept of paying for a web broswer is laughable I think as more and more open source, free, development environments emerge, MS will have no choice but to give Visual Studio away for free. And anyway, it's only free until November 2006, then it costs something like $50, I think. So get it now

Kamui I was never great in programming either in the beginning. It takes practice like all other things even in music. Its something learned over time as you get better at it too. One of my first programming courses that I had to take on a true blue computer was on a vax machine which could only have up to 40 users up on any given time. And dividing up 16 megs of real memory that was in that machine and a local hard drive. You can imagine even way back then. You learn how to program on any machine with small amounts like that. compared to todays computers is a big differents. And even then I still use my old programming skils to make sure that I can still write tight code on my current coimputers and on other computes that are a lot faster. It just takes time like anything and it can be creative too as well it all depoends on what you want to develop as an applications.


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