ettercap User
Posts: 73 | Reflections on the MCP on Friday, June, 25, 2004 10:52 AM
Something occurred to me last night: The MCP seems to have been a rather inefficient program. Why do I think this? One word: Sark.
Sark was essentially a redundant program (or at the very least – a "middle man program") : the MCP issued a command or request to Sark... who then issued that command or request to the programs he controled – which were all essentially controlled by the MCP anyway. In the real world this type of delegation works (just look at your typical office structure and/or typical military and paramilitary organizations), but if you do this in a computer, however, you waste code, memory, and processing time.
Ideally the MCP should have issued command lines and requests directly to the programs that were needed to fulfill a given need. Doing this would have made response times quicker and the pursuit of Tron, Flynn, RAM, and Yori a much more efficient process. This idea would then make the MCP and it’s conscripts analogous to the Borg, I suppose. We actually see this type of activity to a certain degree in Tron 2.0: Thorne and Kearnel will issue commands and requests to the programs needed for a specific task (example: issuing a command directly to an e-mail script to insert a virus into ENCOM's system).
...I suppose it could be argued that Sark was more of a primary subroutine, of the MCP as opposed to a full-fledged program. This would then make Sark’s presence seem more legitimized. I suppose Sark could have been a subroutine that the MCP "acquired" somewhere when it absorbed a Security program. ...But even so, Sark was not very efficient, and was weaker than Tron... Hmmm... This raises the question: Did the MCP plan to acquire Tron in an effort to replace Sark? The MCP had managed to isolate Tron in a holding block, and was well aware that Tron had the ability to destroy Sark as well as the system that the MCP had worked so hard to build. Tron would have made the ideal primary security program for the MCP. Perhaps some of the MCP's inefficiency could be blamed on Sark's obsolete programming... He may have been upgraded as far as he could without being re-written. Tron was new, stronger, faster, and just what the MCP needed to keep Flynn, as well as other users and programs, out of the system.
However, even if the MCP did replace Sark with Tron we may be looking at a similar chain of command, which brings me back to the point that the MCP is rather inefficient - regardless of Sark's possible short comings. ...So it would seem that this would all stem from the MCP's poorly written source code.
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Posts: 0 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Friday, June, 25, 2004 12:06 PM
It is less efficient. The key is that the MCP had started to behave like a real human intelligence; one component of that was that he didn't like getting his hands dirty and preferred to have his underlings do his job for him while he rollicked in what he really enjoyed--power. Why should the MCP bother issuing all those little commands to all those little programs? It's what he was designed to do, but it's no fun. So he got Sark to execute his commands, while he concentrates on hoarding programs and obtaining power over the User world.
Did the MCP plan to acquire Tron in an effort to replace Sark? |
Ooooooh! Very interesting. Definitely a possibility, I'd say. Sark wasn't very popular with the MCP for those last few microcycles...
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Posts: 1,461 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Friday, June, 25, 2004 12:25 PM
I'm not sure if you can necessarily classify this as an inefficiency. Tweaker is right about the 'human intelligence' factor. The MCP saw itself as being superior to humans, and essentially wanted to be a User, or even higher than that. It isn't normal for a program to go around issuing commands to other programs (unless it is told to do this for some special reason).
Using Sark as a middleman gives the MCP some extra power. When Sark was talking directly to the MCP, it was done so in this secure channel that nobody else had access to. Therefore (aside from those who are about to be absorbed), nobody ever gets to see the MCP, which gives him a certain mysterious quality - a very useful tool if you're going to play God. Additionally, as God-like as the MCP was and probably believed he was, he knew that he was NOT invincible and he knew that there were thousands of User-believing programs who didn't like him very much. Using his trusted associate Sark to do the work for him allowed the MCP to control everything without ever putting himself in harm's way. Yes, the MCP could've assumed a more mobile form and given briefings to new conscripts and maybe even participated in the games, but only by risking his own life. In a system where an uprising could break out at any moment, do whatever any tyrannical ruler in human history does... stay out of harm's way and let someone else get down and dirty with the commoners.
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Posts: 73 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Friday, June, 25, 2004 12:50 PM
Tron Fanatic Wrote:Using Sark as a middleman gives the MCP some extra power. When Sark was talking directly to the MCP, it was done so in this secure channel that nobody else had access to. Therefore (aside from those who are about to be absorbed), nobody ever gets to see the MCP, which gives him a certain mysterious quality - a very useful tool if you're going to play God. Additionally, as God-like as the MCP was and probably believed he was, he knew that he was NOT invincible and he knew that there were thousands of User-believing programs who didn't like him very much. Using his trusted associate Sark to do the work for him allowed the MCP to control everything without ever putting himself in harm's way. Yes, the MCP could've assumed a more mobile form and given briefings to new conscripts and maybe even participated in the games, but only by risking his own life. In a system where an uprising could break out at any moment, do whatever any tyrannical ruler in human history does... stay out of harm's way and let someone else get down and dirty with the commoners. |
...Hmmm... I hadn't quite thought it that way. That's a very good point.
...However, what if we go with the idea of MCP setting up his system like the environment that's present in Tron 2.0 (communicating via I/O nodes) he could communicate with any given program, or group of programs, without ever showing himself, or putting himself in harm's way. The communications could be encrypted, and the route spoofed so that a trace program couldn't locate the source of the transmission. Yes, this would eliminate any God-like stature that he may have been going for, but it would enable him to operate his system better. ...and who knows - the MCP might have been able to run things at a better percentage than 900 to 1200 times better than any human. 01000101 01001110 01000100 0010000001001111 01000110 00100000 0100110001001001 01001110 01000101 00101110
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Posts: 0 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Friday, June, 25, 2004 3:59 PM
ettercap Wrote:Tron Fanatic Wrote:Using Sark as a middleman gives the MCP some extra power. When Sark was talking directly to the MCP, it was done so in this secure channel that nobody else had access to. Therefore (aside from those who are about to be absorbed), nobody ever gets to see the MCP, which gives him a certain mysterious quality - a very useful tool if you're going to play God. Additionally, as God-like as the MCP was and probably believed he was, he knew that he was NOT invincible and he knew that there were thousands of User-believing programs who didn't like him very much. Using his trusted associate Sark to do the work for him allowed the MCP to control everything without ever putting himself in harm's way. Yes, the MCP could've assumed a more mobile form and given briefings to new conscripts and maybe even participated in the games, but only by risking his own life. In a system where an uprising could break out at any moment, do whatever any tyrannical ruler in human history does... stay out of harm's way and let someone else get down and dirty with the commoners. |
...Hmmm... I hadn't quite thought it that way. That's a very good point.
...However, what if we go with the idea of MCP setting up his system like the environment that's present in Tron 2.0 (communicating via I/O nodes) he could communicate with any given program, or group of programs, without ever showing himself, or putting himself in harm's way. The communications could be encrypted, and the route spoofed so that a trace program couldn't locate the source of the transmission. Yes, this would eliminate any God-like stature that he may have been going for, but it would enable him to operate his system better. ...and who knows - the MCP might have been able to run things at a better percentage than 900 to 1200 times better than any human. |
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that the I/O node communication system is a relativly new thing in their world, therefore, the MCP couldn't use that.
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...and who knows - the MCP might have been able to run things at a better percentage than 900 to 1200 times better than any human. |
That idea might even cause him to think even more highly of himself. The idea that he's can do things better than the users/humans...... Hm.... now who would have thought a street pylon can get so far!
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Posts: 1,461 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Friday, June, 25, 2004 4:03 PM
Having I/O nodes might have put the MCP at a disadvantage though as well unless he could monitor and control exactly what they were used for. In order to keep everyone from getting any ideas, he'd want to restrict communication between the 'blues' as much as possible.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill
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Posts: 3,301 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Friday, June, 25, 2004 7:16 PM
Did the MCP plan to acquire Tron in an effort to replace Sark?
Ooooooh! Very interesting. Definitely a possibility, I'd say. Sark wasn't very popular with the MCP for those last few microcycles... |
I don't think so because at the very end of the movie the MCP gives Sark a bunch of power to try and defeat Tron. Seems like the MCP would've empowered Tron instead, if he wanted to get rid of Sark.
After Tron defeated Sark, the MCP could've reasoned with Tron (had a little one-on-one session) to see if he would be willing to change sides
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Posts: 0 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Saturday, June, 26, 2004 2:56 AM
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Posts: 73 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Sunday, June, 27, 2004 8:31 PM
I've been thinking about my last post... actually I started thinking about it around 3:00am when I was changing my son's diaper. ...I was up for another 45 minutes getting him to settle back into sleep, so I had some time to contemplate this. ...of course he didn't offer much in the way of feedback on the subject.
I have to agree with The Tweaker and Tron Fanatic regarding the MCP's choice of using Sark over issuing commands and requests directly to programs. This was not the most efficient way of doing things, but it got the MCP what it wanted: power and the time to acquire new information. It also put Sark in a position of being the MCP’s shield, or buffer, as it were. If anyone wanted to get to the MCP they had to get through Sark first – this is most evident in the climactic battle at the end of the film. The MCP could upgrade Sark’s capabilities to the point of making him damn near impassable. …If the MCP had gone about things the way I had previously mentioned he would have put himself in a potentially poor tactical situation. Thanks guys for pointing this out. …And what better way to run a tyrannical system then to promote yourself to the point of being a near god? …The MCP was also an AI – which means that it was not only self aware, but aware of its own digital mortality. Putting Sark up as the MCP’s point man kept the MCP safe and untouchable.
Good point Kamui: the I/O nodes were not available to the MCP at the time.
Traahn – yes, by the end of the movie the MCP wanted Tron eliminated because of the immediate threat that he posed, but I wonder if earlier, while Tron was still confined in his holding cell, if the MCP wasn’t considering the possibility of making him his new second in command. By the time Flynn arrived Tron has already had already built up quite a reputation for himself… a reputation I’m sure that hadn’t been overlooked by the MCP, or Sark. Sark was aware of Tron’s capabilities – “We could’ve made a great team.” – so I’m sure that the MCP was too.
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Posts: 0 | Re: Reflections on the MCP on Monday, June, 28, 2004 11:34 AM
Makes me wonder.... If the MCP were to replace Sark with Tron, wouldn't he be mildly aware of it? If this was so, it would aslo give him another motive now wouldn't it?
As a little comedic side note, I still think Sark should have changed his name to SHARK and scared divers instead.....
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