M0b1u5
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Posts: 47 | Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Thursday, July, 24, 2003 8:07 PM
OK, so I'm a netcode freak - sue me!
Can someone explain the netcode architecture here please? Is it pure Client Server mode? i.e. the server decides all issues, and what appears on your screen means (essentially) dick?
I ask, because I'm pretty upset that many servers have a maximum allowable ping time of 170ms!! WTF is up with that? Hell, from New zealand, I can't ping ANY USA servers at less than 200ms, and I am *QUITE* used to playing other lag-affected games at 250ms+.
Having a max-ping-time enabled is, err, well, LAME!
Is there any code-path option to play it Peer to Peer, such that the client decides when you die? I.e. if I see a gap, and make the gap on my screen, I make it - rather than missing the gap coz some LPB dirtbag made it 120ms earlier!
I think understanding the netcode is IMPERATIVE for successful online combat. It's ALWAYS been the golden rule, that those who know the rules generally win the game! Doesn't matter what sport, or game is involved either! It could be Quake 3 or The Americas Cup, you still need to know the rules.
So, someone step up to the plate here!
Oh, I'm probably going to create a website for Tron2.0 and it'll be called TRON20HELP, and I'll be needing a free host for this site. I have another HELP web site for Descent 3, called, funnily enough, D3Help at http://planetdescent.com/d3help which has had about a million page views now...
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Posts: 1,608 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Thursday, July, 24, 2003 8:45 PM
Maybe you should IM DaveTRON? 
 
Come on, you scuzzy data, be in there.
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M0b1u5
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Posts: 47 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Thursday, July, 24, 2003 9:20 PM
Do you live here Scuzzy? 
Yeah, I saw DaveTRON's posts elsewhere, and was impressed such a high-falootin' personage was hanging out here. However, this is the sort of question that needs answering by the coders, rather than a marketing person - who always sends you straight to www.tron20.net where there are no answers to this one... HEH!
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Smeghead
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Posts: 51 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Thursday, July, 24, 2003 9:45 PM
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Scuzzy
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Posts: 1,608 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Thursday, July, 24, 2003 10:40 PM
Come on, you scuzzy data, be in there.
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DaveTRON
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Posts: 5,314 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Thursday, July, 24, 2003 11:08 PM
I am NOT a Marketing person, I am the head of QA and Testing. The problem here is there are things I cannot say at this time. Your question will be answered soon though.
DaveTRON
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M0b1u5
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Posts: 47 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Friday, July, 25, 2003 1:13 AM
Cool, DaveTRON. Sorry about the marketing barb.
Geez, I've only made two topics here and been accused of being a cheater in both. :P
I am not now, and never have been a hacker of ANYTHING. I am seriously AGAINST cheating in games. I think my efforts to help Descent 3 newbies speaks for itself.
Do not misinterpret my request for details regarding the netcode ( lag-engine? :P), because it's not my intention to flout the rules, but to UNDERSTAND them.
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DaveTRON
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Posts: 5,314 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Saturday, July, 26, 2003 12:03 AM
I mean that only from the perspective of not being able to market to anyone the way our Marketing team does. I like Marketing people, so I was NOT insulted. [grin]
DaveTRON
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Posts: 1,608 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Saturday, July, 26, 2003 12:47 AM
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M0b1u5
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Posts: 47 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Saturday, July, 26, 2003 5:10 AM
Well, I had a bit of a play in Disc Tournament, at around 300ms -- no closer servers as yet! DOH! It seems to me that "lag engine" is a better description for Tron2.0 than "netcode". NOOOOOOOOO! 
It seems to me like the netcode is "Permissible Client Server", but I most sincerely hope I'm wrong, because the PCS model absolutely stinks for anyone over 150ms!
At 300ms, there's a HUGE delay between when I click FIRE, and when the disc appears. That indicates PCS to me! On top of this, the disc doesn't even appear on my screen until it's travelled quite some distance, further reinforcing the PCS guess: 1 x ping time after hitting the fire key, the shot appears, but it appears much closer than it should, because it only got fired 1/2 a ping time ago. *sigh*
Man, I really hope there's a pure Client/Server option for online play, because PCS just cripples HPBs something shocking. It's the worst possible choice (IMO) for an online game. The only advantages I can think of for a PCS model is that it makes cheating harder - but let's face it: no netcode will stop cheats!
I really really don't want to believe the netcoders of Tron2.0 went the laziest route possible: i.e. handing the game to the LPBs and shouting a loud "screw you" to dial-uppers and broadband connects 30,000 klicks from a server.
I really hope I'm wrong.
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Inode
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Posts: 101 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Saturday, July, 26, 2003 10:48 AM
| M0b1u5 Wrote:It seems to me that "lag engine" is a better description for Tron2.0 than "netcode". |
Chances are you are wrong about Tron 2.0's network code. Try connecting to a server that has fairly good system specs, as I had one evening about two weeks ago, and watch your 300 millisecond ping behave as if it were 50. In my case my average ping to one server was 250 milliseconds (at 56K) but because it was hosted on a dual T1 and was on a 2.4 gig system with loads of RAM, it felt like I was playing locally. It was ultra-responsive. More responsive than anything I've experienced before.
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M0b1u5
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Posts: 47 | Re: Tron 2.0 netcode?
on Monday, July, 28, 2003 12:34 AM
I truly hope you are right!
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