I don't see the whole Area51 / alien tech fitting into the cannon.
Kevin Flynn was a visionary; considered one of the greatest geniuses according to cannon. By his own admission, he had come up with the concept of wireless networking decades before it was available to the public.
In defense of some of my theories and their (albeit, fictional) possibilities.....
The ENCOM crew, according to cannon, pioneered networking of multiple computers in the early eighties, when it was barely in use in the mainstream; At the time, the government was just barely laying the foundations of DarpaNet (the beginning of the internet) and you couldn't actually network more than two PC's (via dial-up modem, at extremely limited speeds)
So? Don't get why this was mentioned here. True, though. IBM was investing in massive mainframes when they should have been working on smaller consumer/personal computers like everyone else. That's why they had to lay off a ton of people in the late eighties . oopsie! They never quite recovered.
ENCOM even had their own terminology for it, they called it Interlinking.
yeah but that could mean a lot of things. My printer and laptop are wirelessly interlinked. It doesn't mean they're the internet. All interlinking/wi-fi does really is get rid of the inconvenience of wires at distances of less than, say, 200 feet. That would hardly have been a serious advancement or bold idea in '85 when Flynn said he thought it up. By some standards, it's not even one now. My stepbrothers had wirelessly interlinked (though not digital) devices in 1982. They were called Fischer Price walkie talkies. Of course even they had more range than the average wifi antenna.
I think it wasn't a single computer hosting the Grid, post MCP, in fact, it was most likely a primitive hard-wired Beowulf Cluster, or, a Multi-processing super computer made by networking hundreds of lesser machines. The racks in Flynns lab are a testament to this, multiple mainboards and drives, networked together for the expressed purpose of task sharing. (much like modern cloud computing, but on a local LAN)
That's a given. I'm just saying the technology could have feasibly been alien. If Flynn did think it up on his own, he would have still worked on it in secret since he was way more pioneer than entrepreneur looking to cash in on the new tech.
The Tron SHIV laser has it's roots in reality. It was based on a real world project, known as the Shiva laser at the Lawrence Livermore Labs, which, at the time, was used as a location for shooting some scenes for the original TRON. It's definitely not from Area 51.
No, but it still could have been and probably was invented and assembled at Encom. It had to come from somewhere. It has been theorized that inventions we use every day-including, mainly microprocessors-were back-engineered from an alien spacecraft that crashed at Area 51, and that the work was done at Bell Labs. Over the next ten years Bell Labs doled out-and is still doling out- that technology as incredible new "inventions", including the microprocessor. Back then this was mind-blowing stuff, I mean real sci-fi come to life stuff. Absolutely mind blowing things, and it all sort of came out in a relatively short amount of time, and it came out almost exclusively from, well, Bell Labs. Just a theory. One I subscribe to.
Many also say that tech was used in the original space program. Tell me how in the late 60's NASA managed to send a man to the moon. It's the year 2013 and GM can't even make a drive train that'll last 200,000 miles. There is no way in H*LL they did all that spacecraft engineering in the 50's and 60's with slide rules, I mean, come on. They still haven't released some info on how they did the Mercury program to this day. Back-engineered alien tech, guys. I'm just syain'..........
Read all about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_laser
Not a bad article at all. Thanks.
Anyways, Flynn's experience in the original film was eluded to as more of a "Dream" in legacy, and was sort of his inspiration to create the Grid.
Hmmm. I sort of agree. The whole time he spent in the computer in Tron could have been a dream. Maybe after he was ZApped by the lazer, he was really sitting at the terminal working at defeating the MCP's dominance of the systems it controlled, and the MCP itself. The only flaw to that theory, and there may be an explanation, is when he was sitting at his real-world terminal talking to and directing Tron who was in the computer. That wasn't a dream. Or was it?
Legacy confuses the matter, in that, while Kevin did experience life inside the computer, the human mind interpreted the "Data" he encountered in the system as a certain experience. He tried to refine that experience, and re-tool a system to "Flesh it out" and make it more compatible with human "Wetware" (read up on human/machine interfaces, transumanism, etc) Hence, His work on grid 2.0.
Fair enough. I agree with that completely. Of course he could have jacked into the Grid Matrix-style, sitting in a chair the whole time with a cable stuck into the back of his head. Unfortunately
, L left him with sort of having to have been sucked into the Grid in the more bodily sense. If it hadn't, his unfed, uncared-for body would have been found in skeletal form in his lab when Sam discovered it. No way that body could have sat there for 27 years. It would have died, and if you die in real life, you die in the Grid, if I may borrow from The Matrix.
Wanna take it to a level so high not even the Space Shuttle could touch it? Let's say all of T:L had occurred already, and Sam went on to make it so you could in fact jack into the Grid Matrix-style with your physical body laying on a table the whole time you consciousness was in the Tron universe. You see where i;m going with this, right? Then, far into the future, the Machine Nation described in The Animatrix took over the entire human race, stuck them in energy-sucking pods and used The Grid as the basis of The Matrix and strove ot keep their minds forever trapped in it to keep them from wanting to wake up. IOW: the Grid's technology was perverted to make The Matrix. Only Disney whoever produced the Matrix series would surely make Disney pay dearly for the rights.
With the quick advancement in networking (LAN networks via BNC cable was just staring to come into use in the private business sector at the time) as well as faster processors (The leap from 8086 processors, floppy disks and tape drives and 640K memory to 386 and 486 processors and larger memory modules, not to mention larger hard disks) could easily explain the leap in technology, Especially with the backing of a Bleeding-edge tech outfit like ENCOM backing the project.
I don't think even that technology could have supported what he was doing with the Grid 2.0. Something like the Grid would have to move info around in itself at an almost instant rate. Not that we don't have great advancements already, but it still took me at least 3 min to dl End Of Line from the iTunes server when it was available. That's glacially slow compared to what the Grid could have to do. That's why I say that tech came from an alien craft. I'm trying to work with the idea that the tech he was using was something so far beyond what we think of as a computer that we couldn't begin to understand it any more than the Wright brothers (who were NOT first in flight, just in controlled, powered, sustainable flight. GGGGR! I live in NC and wish they'd quit bragging abt it because them being first is a fallacy) could have imagined a 747.
I am sure someone out there has calculated just how many megabytes or even gigs of info the human mind has to recall from memory and at least process, then store in real time. I read somewhere that a lifetime of recorded consciousness would be in the petabyte range, though keep in mind (no pun intended) some of that data would fade over time, since our very memories do the same. But imagine all the processing power that would take. Then add millions of consciousnesses to the Grid in the form of programs. Each of them would have to be able to similarly do that in real time. Then add the simulation of the Grid itself running on top of it all. To make a computer that fast would require a processing speed so fast that it would *have* to make use of an ability to warp time itself, to use something *beyond* speed, to process it all. It would have to move data around faster than the speed of light within the computer, instantly in fact. Maybe even many times faster than the speed of light. One reason I say Flynn could not have developed such a system is that geniuses are frequently a little nuts, and for an earthly human genius to be *that* smart, they'd also be so bonkers they wouldn't be able to put on their own pants. So...aliens. This may have be one of the most interesting flights of fancy I've ever thought of. Of course Bell labs probably already has that sh*t. Or Apple maybe.
As for the graphic quality of the sim, one needs only look at the difference between Tron's CGI, and that used in films like The Last Starfighter and Young Sherlock Holmes (and that's from a film company, not a large tech firm) It's entirely feasible, especially when you consider the fictional company that made it all possible. ENCOM was supposedly the elite company in the game, that is, until Kevin Flynn went "missing".
If T was merely a dream, then there would have been no simulation at all, just a dream taking place in Flynn's mind. Of course Flynn could have/if he had dreamed all of T, then designed a dream-inspired inter-real-world computer that hosted an actual human consciousness. That would have been called Grid 1.0, the "old Grid". Then his developing, being captured in and then rescued from 2.0 was what T:L was all about. So I'm saying it was a dream about being sucked into a computer in T, then, inspired by the dream, he made Grid 1.o which he could enter into, then for whatever reason he had (is there a story in itself there as to why he abandoned Grid 1.0? he took it to the next level by making Grid 2.0. You could insert that between G1.0 and 2.0 is when he gained access to the alien technology that made 2.0 such an upgrade.