Okay so you can pay to DL it from iTunes. I suppose you could pay to get it on DVD or Blu-Ray when and/or if it comes out on such media. But since Disney had it for free (just one episode at a time though) on their web site, do you think it' s unethical or ethical to DL it from a third party source for free?

Yes Loaded question.
But here is my take on copyright laws.

If someone uses copyrighted material (images, sounds, videos) for anything they are NOT MAKING MONEY from, and they give proper credit. Then there should be no issues.

Example. I work in Second Life. A few years ago we rebuilt the entire Magic Kingdom from Walt Disney World. We used official sounds from the park, images, attraction map layouts, ect. We called the park Mouse World. We called the attractions the names from the real park, The Haunted Mansion, ect. We DID NOT CHARGE admission. We had thousands of visitors a day and most all said "now I need to visit the real park".

My Point, We used copy righted material but did NOT make money from it. So IMO it was a "No harm, no foul" situation. (BTW Yes Disney Co. knew about us. we had WDW park managers working with us at times).


So to download videos, music for free for your own personal use. I don't see a problem. As I said in another thread I DLed all 19 T:U episodes, I have hundreds of thousands of movies and shows DLed. I do not sell them. I do not hold public showings. So no harm, no foul.

Honda Enoch Wrote:My Point, We used copy righted material but did NOT make money from it. So IMO it was a "No harm, no foul" situation. (BTW Yes Disney Co. knew about us. we had WDW park managers working with us at times).

You were lucky you didn't get sued.

It's not as simple as you think. You admittedly used copy-righted materials (sounds, names). What if you used the sounds and names for say, the haunted mansion, but your map/model was crappy and made people hate the attraction? Disney would have a valid point sueing you because based on your illegal use of copy-righted material you damaged thier reputation (or brand).

Honda Enoch Wrote:Because our map model was not crappy is why we didn't have problems from Disney. It's more simple then you think. It's people that go out and use copyrighted material to make money that mess it up for everyone.

The law is rarely simple... the lawyers like it that way.

Honda Enoch Wrote: jediknight0 Wrote: Honda Enoch Wrote:Because our map model was not crappy is why we didn't have problems from Disney. It's more simple then you think. It's people that go out and use copyrighted material to make money that mess it up for everyone. The law is rarely simple... the lawyers like it that way. Um...Guessing you have never dealt with lawyers. The more complicated the law, the better it is for them. That way they can twist it how they want it. No law is simple. They are written to be confusing and misleading.

Actually, I have had to deal with some lawyers around IP.

And I think you just re-stated what I said - the law is complicated and it's going to stay that way because it's in lawyers best interest.

You said that the issue was "more simple than you think".

The best way to get something is legitimately. I went and bought all the eps via iTunes, figuring that it was cheaper than cable, and that a struggling series needed all the help it could get.

Seeing as I got my Aussie buddy to start downloading it from iTunes just by listing the voice cast (In his words "Frodo, Bishop, AND Commander Sheridan? I think I need to lie down..."), I totally, totally want folks to get their hands on legit copies.

Opps double post. please delete.