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Moses613
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Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Friday, March, 22, 2013 9:32 AM
Okay so you can pay to DL it from iTunes. I suppose you could pay to get it on DVD or Blu-Ray when and/or if it comes out on such media. But since Disney had it for free (just one episode at a time though) on their web site, do you think it' s unethical or ethical to DL it from a third party source for free? buy viagra onlinehttp://www.bilimselbilisim.com/haberler_detay.aspx?id=42 viagra online


 
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Friday, March, 22, 2013 1:17 PM
Moses613 Wrote:Okay so you can pay to DL it from iTunes. I suppose you could pay to get it on DVD or Blu-Ray when and/or if it comes out on such media. But since Disney had it for free (just one episode at a time though) on their web site, do you think it' s unethical or ethical to DL it from a third party source for free?
Loaded question.

Still, obviously unethical. Porting to "physical real world" anology as close as I can, if a company gives away DVD's as a promotional effort, then stops and starts selling them, I doubt they approve of you still getting it for free from an "unauthorized" source. Hope that helps...buy viagra onlinehttp://www.bilimselbilisim.com/haberler_detay.aspx?id=42 viagra online


 
Honda Enoch
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Friday, March, 22, 2013 1:40 PM
Yes Loaded question.
But here is my take on copyright laws.

If someone uses copyrighted material (images, sounds, videos) for anything they are NOT MAKING MONEY from, and they give proper credit. Then there should be no issues.

Example. I work in Second Life. A few years ago we rebuilt the entire Magic Kingdom from Walt Disney World. We used official sounds from the park, images, attraction map layouts, ect. We called the park Mouse World. We called the attractions the names from the real park, The Haunted Mansion, ect. We DID NOT CHARGE admission. We had thousands of visitors a day and most all said "now I need to visit the real park".

My Point, We used copy righted material but did NOT make money from it. So IMO it was a "No harm, no foul" situation. (BTW Yes Disney Co. knew about us. we had WDW park managers working with us at times).


So to download videos, music for free for your own personal use. I don't see a problem. As I said in another thread I DLed all 19 T:U episodes, I have hundreds of thousands of movies and shows DLed. I do not sell them. I do not hold public showings. So no harm, no foul.
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Friday, March, 22, 2013 3:02 PM
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It was mainly because of the major loss of sales in the music industry when sites like Napster first got started.

Copyright Violation, like you were saying, is specifically when someone is profiting from material they don't own without permission from the creator.

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jediknight0
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Friday, March, 22, 2013 11:16 PM
Honda Enoch Wrote:My Point, We used copy righted material but did NOT make money from it. So IMO it was a "No harm, no foul" situation. (BTW Yes Disney Co. knew about us. we had WDW park managers working with us at times).

You were lucky you didn't get sued.

It's not as simple as you think. You admittedly used copy-righted materials (sounds, names). What if you used the sounds and names for say, the haunted mansion, but your map/model was crappy and made people hate the attraction? Disney would have a valid point sueing you because based on your illegal use of copy-righted material you damaged thier reputation (or brand).
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Honda Enoch
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Friday, March, 22, 2013 11:25 PM
jediknight0 Wrote:
Honda Enoch Wrote:My Point, We used copy righted material but did NOT make money from it. So IMO it was a "No harm, no foul" situation. (BTW Yes Disney Co. knew about us. we had WDW park managers working with us at times).

You were lucky you didn't get sued.

It's not as simple as you think. You admittedly used copy-righted materials (sounds, names). What if you used the sounds and names for say, the haunted mansion, but your map/model was crappy and made people hate the attraction? Disney would have a valid point sueing you because based on your illegal use of copy-righted material you damaged thier reputation (or brand).

Because our map model was not crappy is why we didn't have problems from Disney. It's more simple then you think. It's people that go out and use copyrighted material to make money that mess it up for everyone.
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jediknight0
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Sunday, March, 24, 2013 12:34 AM
Honda Enoch Wrote:Because our map model was not crappy is why we didn't have problems from Disney. It's more simple then you think. It's people that go out and use copyrighted material to make money that mess it up for everyone.

The law is rarely simple... the lawyers like it that way.
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Honda Enoch
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Sunday, March, 24, 2013 1:45 AM
jediknight0 Wrote:
Honda Enoch Wrote:Because our map model was not crappy is why we didn't have problems from Disney. It's more simple then you think. It's people that go out and use copyrighted material to make money that mess it up for everyone.

The law is rarely simple... the lawyers like it that way.


Um...Guessing you have never dealt with lawyers. The more complicated the law, the better it is for them. That way they can twist it how they want it. No law is simple. They are written to be confusing and misleading.buy viagra onlinehttp://www.bilimselbilisim.com/haberler_detay.aspx?id=42 viagra online

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jediknight0
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Sunday, March, 24, 2013 2:08 AM
Honda Enoch Wrote:
jediknight0 Wrote:
Honda Enoch Wrote:Because our map model was not crappy is why we didn't have problems from Disney. It's more simple then you think. It's people that go out and use copyrighted material to make money that mess it up for everyone.

The law is rarely simple... the lawyers like it that way.


Um...Guessing you have never dealt with lawyers. The more complicated the law, the better it is for them. That way they can twist it how they want it. No law is simple. They are written to be confusing and misleading.

Actually, I have had to deal with some lawyers around IP.

And I think you just re-stated what I said - the law is complicated and it's going to stay that way because it's in lawyers best interest.

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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Wednesday, March, 27, 2013 5:17 PM
Honda Enoch Wrote:
jediknight0 Wrote:
Honda Enoch Wrote:Because our map model was not crappy is why we didn't have problems from Disney. It's more simple then you think. It's people that go out and use copyrighted material to make money that mess it up for everyone.

The law is rarely simple... the lawyers like it that way.


Um...Guessing you have never dealt with lawyers. The more complicated the law, the better it is for them. That way they can twist it how they want it. No law is simple. They are written to be confusing and misleading.


I'm also surprised that Disney didn't sue you and your families.
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Wednesday, March, 27, 2013 5:27 PM
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It's an entire universe in there, one we created, but it's beyond us now. Really. It's outgrown us. You know, every time you shut off your computer...do you know what you're doing? Have you ever reformatted a hard drive? Deleted old software? Destroyed an entire universe?"

-- Jet Bradley, Tron: Ghost in the Machine on why being a User isn't necessarily a good thing.
 
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Wednesday, March, 27, 2013 5:41 PM
I follow your view, J.

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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Wednesday, March, 27, 2013 5:56 PM
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-- Jet Bradley, Tron: Ghost in the Machine on why being a User isn't necessarily a good thing.
 
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

on Wednesday, March, 27, 2013 7:47 PM
J Wrote: "Frodo, Bishop, AND Commander Sheridan? "

And let's *not* forget Carl Winslow, Rapunzel, and Pee-Wee Herman! Lol!!
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RE: Is it unethical to DL T:U from someplace for free because Disney had it online for free?

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