|Tzigone Wrote:I definitely think Alan had some hope after he got that page. His "wouldn't that be something" and even the fact that he still had the pager before that indicate to me that he thought it possible that Flynn was not dead.
That line always bugged me too, because between it and the delivery, it sounds like Alan *knows* *something.* But someone here finally told me that according to Bruce himself, he meant the delivery just to be sad and wistful, and not really supposed to "mean" anything. But frankly, I still don't hear it that way. It sounds like Alan knows precisely what Sam's going to find at the arcade... which has some interesting implications for writing about Alan if you're willing to accept that maybe he's not a good guy.
|Tzigone Wrote:Also, I don't think Alan would send Sam to that arcade if he thought it was just a wild goose chase. That would just be cruel, which I don't think Alan is. At the least, I think Alan thought it might lead to something - even if only a clue or hint as to what did happen to Flynn.
I'm not sure. The whole thing was weird, really. But it's possible he may have just wanted to shake Sam up enough to get him out of whatever apathy Alan thought he was in (whether I think he was right to do, and whether I think Sam really was in a negative apathy, is a totally different subject). Again, at the end Alan doesn't ask why Sam had a sudden change of heart, so I don't think it likely he expected much happened at the arcade except Sam getting nostalgic.
|Tzigone Wrote:However, I don't think Alan had been told yet in "The Next Day" even thought he shut down "Flynn Lives." He was far too chipper for that, IMO.
I didn't see that clip, but recall that at the end of T:L
, even Sam was pretty chipper. He just found out what happened to his dad, discovered a new world, went through a bunch of turmoil, watched his dad die (FOR HIM, no less), has acquired a new roommate/responsibility, and like Lucy he has a lot of 'splainin' to do to a lot of people...... and then he pops out, looks sad for a few seconds, and then he's all smiley at Alan and flirty with Quorra and seeming like he's in a pretty good mood. (I still assume there's a lot they didn't show us between the time they rez out and we see them again, and he probably crashes hard later. I understand they had to end the film on an upbeat note, so I'll give it to them, but... I do think I or you or most people would have a slightly-different reaction.)
|Tzigone Wrote:I agree Alan wouldn't be shocked. I think he has been at least considering the idea that Flynn was dead ever since Flynn disappeared. He'd still grieve some, but I'm not sure how distant a grief that would be. That's actually one of the aspects that interests me - how do you react when you've at least half-way suspected he's dead for so many years?
I imagine it's the same reaction in someone who, say, had someone who was MIA in Vietnam, or kidnapped a long time ago, or something. You know there's pretty much no chance they're still alive, so at that point you really just need confirmation for your own sense of closure/peace of mind/whatever. And if they do finally find some sort of remains or proof, it's probably a sense of relief, mixed with some sadness, but not nearly the raw grief as if it were something new or unexpected.
|Tzigone Wrote:But I don't think Alan was 100% certain Flynn was dead. If he was, he wouldn't have carried the pager, wouldn't have told Sam about the page, wouldn't have made that comment, and wouldn't have come to the arcade when he got the second page.
I've wondered if he maybe kept the pager more out of nostalgia than because he thinks he'll actually need it. That would explain why he didn't think the page he received was urgent. Like people who don't get rid of stuff that belonged to a loved one after they die, or keep their room the same, or something. They don't expect the person to come back and use it, but it's a gesture. But again, he may have told Sam and sent him over there thinking it would get Sam's blood flowing to see all of it again and such.
|Tzigone Wrote:As for the waiting two days - I sort of have a theory, but I'm not that convinced of it, myself.
I'm not sure if this times out, but is it possible "last night" refers not to the night *before* the board meeting and prank, but to the same night? That at 7:00 pm (when the Nikkei index opens on the east coast, I think, and they referenced an opening bell) Sam perpetrated his prank and got arrested, after that Alan got the page. He goes to Sam's home and waits until 3 or 4 am when Sam arrives and they chat, Sam goes to the arcade, then when Alan's barely gotten home to sleep, he gets paged again? Or maybe the OS-12 rollout was at midnight (9 on west coast)?
Because Alan is discussing the mundane matter of OS-12 and such at the board meeting, and that just doesn't seem likely to me, if he's already gotten the page.
I definitely think it's the same night. And that's the way I've written it. Sam gets home from jail, Alan's at his place, he maybe dilly-dallies a bit but then goes to the arcade, and yeah, poor Alan can't catch a break when it comes to sleep, apparently. There is that part where he's talking to Flynn about base jumping and refers to "two nights ago, on Encom Tower" but I think we agreed here that that's probably just a figure of speech or a mistake on the part of the writers-- I don't think Sam really waited two days either and that's not what they imply (but then, it would seem that many things they imply in the film, they contradict later, so who knows).
I think Alan HAD already gotten the page at that point, but like I said, if he wasn't concerned enough about it to go over there right away, then he probably wasn't concerned enough to act abnormally. I do think they really meant it when *he* referred to "two days ago."
As far as time, we've discussed that here as well. I'm pretty sure that yeah, the meeting was right when the Nikkei opened (so, 7 p.m. PST). They're supposed to go live probably shortly before the opening, and Mackey says something like "we have to ring that bell!" That means we have a lot of time to fill during the film. Especially since, if it's already completely dark at 7 p.m. (actually before, since it's already completely dark when Sam's on the way there, so let's say completely dark at 6:00 or 6:30), then it's probably late fall. So that means the sun isn't rising until probably at least 7 a.m. or so? And we know you can spend hours in the Grid and it'll only take like 10 minutes out here, so Sam's probably not at the arcade more than an hour total. So we need to fill time between him getting arrested (which seems to happen between 7:00 and 7:30 p.m.; if his little board meeting fiasco is going on at the same time he's on the roof) and about 5:30 or 6:00 a.m. So how long does he spend in jail, vs. how long after Alan leaves debating with himself whether to go over to the arcade, etc.?